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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Atheists posit that our moral/rational consciousness is due to human solidarity. |
Bosh.
You just stepped over the line, you have inexplainable values however you disguise them. Deal with it.
After reading these "god quotes" of Hitler's I've decided they are of very low quality. He says "god" often but I'm not seeing any particular passages mentioned ever. There's a lot of obfuscation on his part.
Thank you for discussing Hitler. We haven't discussed the Soviet Union which was clearly Atheist and murdered far more people. That always seems to happen.
I'm done, its been enlightening.
I remain Catholic for cultural and familiar reasons but most importantly I have not seen anything better or worse. I'm sorry, I don't want your pamphlet. |
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laogaiguk
Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Location: somewhere in Korea
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| Tony_Balony wrote: |
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| Atheists posit that our moral/rational consciousness is due to human solidarity. |
Bosh.
You just stepped over the line, you have inexplainable values however you disguise them. Deal with it.
After reading these "god quotes" of Hitler's I've decided they are of very low quality. He says "god" often but I'm not seeing any particular passages mentioned ever. There's a lot of obfuscation on his part.
Thank you for discussing Hitler. We haven't discussed the Soviet Union which was clearly Atheist and murdered far more people. That always seems to happen.
I'm done, its been enlightening.
I remain Catholic for cultural and familiar reasons but most importantly I have not seen anything better or worse. I'm sorry, I don't want your pamphlet. |
So no retort on the fact that Atheists can use "species survival" as a reason for morals? Good job, you lost and you are running. It's fine, I doubt even the Christians here care about your small opinions. Just keep your pamphlets to yourself please.
Like I said before, I'm agnostic and couldn't care which wins, though if one could prove their side, it would be great. Again, there are good and bad people, whether they are Christian or Atheist doesn't matter. They would have found some way to be good or bad in another way if they weren't. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| Tony_Balony wrote: |
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| Atheists posit that our moral/rational consciousness is due to human solidarity. |
Bosh.
You just stepped over the line, you have inexplainable values however you disguise them. Deal with it. |
I spanked your ass in my previous post. You believe people, prior to Moses on Mount Sinai, thought rape, theft and genocide were all kosher. Reality: humans owe their moral and rational sense to a far older naturally selected phenomena.
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| After reading these "god quotes" of Hitler's I've decided they are of very low quality. He says "god" often but I'm not seeing any particular passages mentioned ever. There's a lot of obfuscation on his part. |
Basically, you're saying Hitler obviously believed in the biblical God, but didn't actually believe!  That's why you're a hagwon jockey as opposed to doing a job requiring intelligence and communication skills.
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Thank you for discussing Hitler. We haven't discussed the Soviet Union which was clearly Atheist and murdered far more people. That always seems to happen.
I'm done, its been enlightening.
I remain Catholic for cultural and familiar reasons but most importantly I have not seen anything better or worse. I'm sorry, I don't want your pamphlet. |
Indeed, it's been a pleasure whupping your ass. As I said previously:
1. The Soviet Union was atheist and killed many people
2. Therefore the biblical God exists
is a pathetic fallacy
Secondly, the Soviet Union is essentially what the Old Testament advocates - totalitarianism. The only difference is that one can leave the Soviet Union by dying. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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Atheists are no one special. Deal with it. |
Very true. Absolutely anyone can choose not to believe in supernatural beings. Nothing too special about that. |
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JustJohn
Joined: 18 Oct 2007
Location: Your computer screen
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| This post contributes more to the thread than any other. |
Why's that? |
Because of the post that immediately followed, proving the guy's implied point about the Dave's mug community. It was amusing. Also, the rest of this thread is largely uninformed babble not worth reading. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Also, the rest of this thread is largely uninformed babble not worth reading. |
Agreed. |
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contrarian
Joined: 20 Jan 2007
Location: Nearly in NK
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Optimus is just another cheap troll. Makes a few pseudo intellectual comments and then take the ritual stabe at the Mormons. Give a break! What a doofus |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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Hi I apologize for reviving this thread after I said I was done but my curiosity
is weighty in regard to the "Commies are Atheists" concept. Please respond with your argument/evidence. I am inviting information but not a debate, so please go light on the baiting.
TY
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Argument/evidence for what? Your post doesn't make sense. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Hi - Sure,
Atheists are mass murdering slime because the Soviets, who were high on Atheism, murdered 60 million people. Therefore Atheism has a real bad track record in humanity, certainly much worse than Adolph Hitler, a theist.
Image being worse than Hitler! Well, you don't have to imagine anymore .
just find an Atheist. |
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Justin Hale
Joined: 24 Nov 2007
Location: the Straight Talk Express
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So, your curiosity, your wanting evidence/argument, your bumping of a thread that has finished as far as the OP and the 'debate' is concerned (it's not a debate; it's an ass-whup), basically means you want me to repeat myself. Oh excellent. Okay.
(1) So-called atheist regimes suppress religion as a means to an end. Nobody denies that Stalin and other genocidal despots were atheists; the question becomes "how significant is this?". I'm not aware of any murders of theists committed in the name of atheism per se. Do some reading on these regimes and see what their ends were as opposed to positing lay discourse in opposition to a consensus of historians. Or stop being a greasy and constantly drunk hagwon jockey, become an academic historian and write a paper for an academic journal on why X and Y genocides were the sole responsibility of atheism.
(2) The only difference between the genocidal regimes in question and the entity you believe in and worship as the creator of the universe is that one could leave the regimes in question by dying.
(3) From (a) genocides were committed by atheists, does it follow that (b) God exists and atheism is a false position? If you think yes, it is pathetically fallacious. If no, why make this point? What does genocide have to do with what exists? Nothing. |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Tony_Balony wrote: |
Hi - Sure,
Atheists are mass murdering slime because the Soviets, who were high on Atheism, murdered 60 million people. |
Don't understand what you're complaining about. Most of that 60 million were also slimy atheists. Surely the world is better off without them. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 1:39 am Post subject: |
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Jesus was a Buddhist.
Hence Christianity has evolved over the past 2,000 years in the form of a Budhist heresy.
Let's back back up a little ...
800 Years Of Greco-Buddhism
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Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelt Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE in the area covered by modern Afghanistan, Pakistan and north-western border regions of modern India namely western portions of Jammu and Kashmir.
It was a cultural consequence of a long chain of interactions begun by Greek forays into India from the time of Alexander the Great, carried further by the establishment of Indo-Greek rule in the area for some centuries, and extended during flourishing of the Hellenized empire of the Kushans.
Greco-Buddhism influenced the artistic (and perhaps the conceptual) development of Buddhism, particularly Mahayana Buddhism,[1] before Buddhism was adopted in Central and Northeastern Asia, from the 1st century CE, ultimately spreading to China, Korea and Japan. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Buddhism
An "angry" Christian is thus not a "true" Christian 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Christianity |
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Funkdafied
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Location: In Da House
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| Atheism is a religion. |
No. By definition a religion needs a god. People these days readily confuse a strong belief in something to a religion. That is false. A religion needs a god. Atheism is not a religion. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:04 am Post subject: |
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| Atheism is a religion. |
No.
By definition a religion needs a god.
People these days readily confuse a strong belief in something to a religion. That is false.
A religion needs a god. Atheism is not a religion. |
By whose definition? What is religion?
Why support such a narrow & "restrictive" definition?
Why try to pigeon-hole or otherwise box-in what has always been cosmick, elusive, beyond mere words & profoundly mysterious?
What ISN'T religion? Moreover, what ISN'T "political"?
Think what you like Funky, my understanding is that these two realms are for all sentient beings, unavoidable & inescapable.
Notice i like to pose a lot of questions?
It's part of my religion
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| From Latin religiō, meaning "moral obligation" and "worship" < possibly religō "tie back, fasten up" < prefix re- (back) + ligō (to tie). |
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Generally speaking, certain systems of belief that do not involve the existence of one or more deities, such as Buddhism, can be considered a religion, though some people ( such as Funkified ) prefer a stricter definition ... that excludes the possibility of a non-theistic religion.
Others ( such as IGTG ) are in favor of a very general definition of religion: that any belief, such as atheism, or system of beliefs, such as science, is a kind of religion or part of a religion.
In language, such uses are generally considered ... humorous (highly dependent on context.) |
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/religion
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Etymology
The English word religion is in use since the 13th century, loaned from Anglo-French religiun (11th century), ultimately from the Latin religio, "reverence for God or the gods, careful pondering of divine things, piety, the res divinae".[4]
The ultimate origins of Latin religio are obscure. 
It is usually accepted to derive from ligare "bind, connect"; likely from a prefixed re-ligare, i.e. re (again) + ligare or "to reconnect."
This interpretation is favoured by modern scholars such as Tom Harpur and Joseph Campbell, but was made prominent by St. Augustine, following the interpretation of Lactantius.
Another possibility is derivation from a reduplicated *le-ligare. A historical interpretation due to Cicero on the other hand connects lego "read", i.e. re (again) + lego in the sense of "choose", "go over again" or "consider carefully". |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion#Etymology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirituality
Last edited by igotthisguitar on Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:24 am; edited 2 times in total |
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