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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bingo wrote:
Isn't it interesting that there are no commandments in the bible against genocide, rape, child abuse, racism, etc. Seems ole Yahweh wasn't quite as moral as us moderns whom he has the pretension to judge.

No moral person can read the bible and not be convinced that Yahweh was a psychopath.


Do you have a disease or something? Have you ever posted anything on this site that wasn't filled with atheistic posturing?
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Kwangjuchicken



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Bingo"]Here we go again with people talking about what Jesus thought. We know absolutely NOTHING about what he thought. There is no evidence that he even existed. (Remember, people back then believed Hercules was an actual person too.) If he did exist we know absolutely nothing about him. He left no records. None of the gospel writers had met him. The gospels were written decades after he had died (if he existed at all). And the gospels do not portray Jesus as totally moral. In fact, he could be a downright jerk at times. At times he appears racist and sexist, and believed his opponents were going to burn in hell. He wouldn't give one disciple a day off to go bury his father. He told another that he must hate his family, otherwise he was unfit to be his disciple. So much for family values Jesus.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/cr_list.html


If Hercules is not real, then how could he have been in so many movies over the years, not to mention his TV Show. Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

But he did thunder against sodomy, feminism, atheism, perversion, theft, laziness, oppressive bureaucracy, excessive taxation, idolatry, drunkeness, body piercing and wearing the opposite sex's clothes. maybe he was Muslim.
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laogaiguk



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
Bingo wrote:
Isn't it interesting that there are no commandments in the bible against genocide, rape, child abuse, racism, etc. Seems ole Yahweh wasn't quite as moral as us moderns whom he has the pretension to judge.

No moral person can read the bible and not be convinced that Yahweh was a psychopath.


Do you have a disease or something? Have you ever posted anything on this site that wasn't filled with atheistic posturing?


I don't know him well, but he has a point. If I though, for even a second, the Bible was God's word and not just a man made way to control the masses, I wouldn't have a very high opinion of the Christian God. I still don't have the highest, but the Bible doesn't show him in a very good light.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

laogaiguk wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
Bingo wrote:
Isn't it interesting that there are no commandments in the bible against genocide, rape, child abuse, racism, etc. Seems ole Yahweh wasn't quite as moral as us moderns whom he has the pretension to judge.

No moral person can read the bible and not be convinced that Yahweh was a psychopath.


Do you have a disease or something? Have you ever posted anything on this site that wasn't filled with atheistic posturing?


I don't know him well, but he has a point. If I though, for even a second, the Bible was God's word and not just a man made way to control the masses, I wouldn't have a very high opinion of the Christian God. I still don't have the highest, but the Bible doesn't show him in a very good light.


That's not in question at all. It's just that everything he ever writes is always the same thing. Being right doesn't vindicate him. We were having a fun conversation about these silly churches, and nobody needed him to come on and put his own mushroom stamp on top of it.

I could add that E=MC^2, and while that is essentially correct, it contributes nothing to the conversation.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RACETRAITOR wrote:
laogaiguk wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
Bingo wrote:
Isn't it interesting that there are no commandments in the bible against genocide, rape, child abuse, racism, etc. Seems ole Yahweh wasn't quite as moral as us moderns whom he has the pretension to judge.

No moral person can read the bible and not be convinced that Yahweh was a psychopath.


Do you have a disease or something? Have you ever posted anything on this site that wasn't filled with atheistic posturing?


I don't know him well, but he has a point. If I though, for even a second, the Bible was God's word and not just a man made way to control the masses, I wouldn't have a very high opinion of the Christian God. I still don't have the highest, but the Bible doesn't show him in a very good light.


That's not in question at all. It's just that everything he ever writes is always the same thing. Being right doesn't vindicate him. We were having a fun conversation about these silly churches, and nobody needed him to come on and put his own mushroom stamp on top of it.

I could add that E=MC^2, and while that is essentially correct, it contributes nothing to the conversation.


Esperanto has a mandatory accusative case, whereas usage of the one in Ido depends on the word order. There was some hwangsa today which made it less sunny than it could have been.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mithridates wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
laogaiguk wrote:
RACETRAITOR wrote:
Bingo wrote:
Isn't it interesting that there are no commandments in the bible against genocide, rape, child abuse, racism, etc. Seems ole Yahweh wasn't quite as moral as us moderns whom he has the pretension to judge.

No moral person can read the bible and not be convinced that Yahweh was a psychopath.


Do you have a disease or something? Have you ever posted anything on this site that wasn't filled with atheistic posturing?


I don't know him well, but he has a point. If I though, for even a second, the Bible was God's word and not just a man made way to control the masses, I wouldn't have a very high opinion of the Christian God. I still don't have the highest, but the Bible doesn't show him in a very good light.


That's not in question at all. It's just that everything he ever writes is always the same thing. Being right doesn't vindicate him. We were having a fun conversation about these silly churches, and nobody needed him to come on and put his own mushroom stamp on top of it.

I could add that E=MC^2, and while that is essentially correct, it contributes nothing to the conversation.


Esperanto has a mandatory accusative case, whereas usage of the one in Ido depends on the word order. There was some hwangsa today which made it less sunny than it could have been.


How much evidence do I have to show you in order for you to start believing that George W Bush is responsible for the assassination of JFK?
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Oreovictim



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you ever go to Thebricktestament.com? Bible stories done with Legos. I love it!


[quote="Kwangjuchicken"]
Bingo wrote:
Here we go again with people talking about what Jesus thought. We know absolutely NOTHING about what he thought. There is no evidence that he even existed. (Remember, people back then believed Hercules was an actual person too.) If he did exist we know absolutely nothing about him. He left no records. None of the gospel writers had met him. The gospels were written decades after he had died (if he existed at all). And the gospels do not portray Jesus as totally moral. In fact, he could be a downright jerk at times. At times he appears racist and sexist, and believed his opponents were going to burn in hell. He wouldn't give one disciple a day off to go bury his father. He told another that he must hate his family, otherwise he was unfit to be his disciple. So much for family values Jesus.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/cr_list.html




If Hercules is not real, then how could he have been in so many movies over the years, not to mention his TV Show. Razz
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philipjames



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I recall it wasn't the Bingo poster who brought the serious touch to the OP's (admittedly uninspired) thread. It was Adventurer for suggesting that he knew what kind of church Jesus wanted. Bingo simply pointed out the absurdity of pretending to know the thoughts of a person whose existence and/or thoughts on any matter are lost in the mists of history. We don't know. Nor should we really care, given that he probably thought the earth was flat and Yahweh could read his thoughts. Rolling Eyes I think it is important to knock religious superstition and nonsense wherever it shows up.

When someone, who supposedly has a college degree, starts talking about knowing what Zorastra, Thor or Jesus really want it deserves comment....Especially since churches are not 'silly', they are dangerous enslavers of the human mind. Calling them silly won't make them go away. And go away they must.

After 9/11 religion, in all its evils and absurdities, can no longer be deemed a mere personal matter.


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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

philipjames wrote:
If I recall it wasn't the Bingo poster who brought the serious touch to the OP's (admittedly uninspired) thread. It was Adventurer for suggesting that he knew what kind of church Jesus wanted. Bingo simply pointed out the absurdity of pretending to know the thoughts of a person whose existence and/or thoughts on any matter are lost in the mists of history. We don't know. Nor should we really care, given that he probably thought the earth was flat and Yahweh could read his thoughts. Rolling Eyes I think it is important to knock religious superstition and nonsense wherever it shows up.

When someone, who suppodedly has a college degree, starts talking about knowing what Zorastra, Thor or Jesus really want it deserves comment.


No, I was the first one who pointed out it's presumptuous to say Jesus endorses something.

Bingo replied with his usual belligerent cut-and-paste rhetoric. He seems to me like more of a religious atheist who believes his own dogma, and it's that sort of mindset that should be challenged whenever it shows up, whether it's religious in nature or not.

I'm pretty sure Adventurer isn't a religious person, just aware of what the Bible says and how it contrasts with modern Christianity.

And no, I don't particularly disagree with anything he says, just how he says it and when he says it. If all religious were somehow disproven tonight and everyone stopped worshipping ancient beliefs, I'm sure he would commit suicide out of despair and boredom because he has no purpose left in life.
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ernie



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't think it really matters whether jesus was real or not to speculate upon what kind of church he would have wanted... we can speculate upon the motives of literary characters as well as real ones, so let's do that with 'literary jesus' as well...

while i don't think that jesus (whether real or not) represents the pinnacle of human achievement or the embodiment of God, he does make a few good points, including:
forgiveness, honesty, standing up for what you believe, and 'the golden rule'

IMO, jesus is/was against organized religion, so i think he would support a more personal spiritual style instead of the current church-based mass worship holier-than-thou model... i don't think that he would necessarily follow the new testament, since it is based on a lot of hearsay and its inception and compliation (like the old testament) was motivated more by politics and control than by humanity and love...
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Bingo



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fine. I apologize for making a serious post on a 'fun' thread about the 'silliness' of religion. I would like to make up for my attempt at helping to bring people into the 17th century, by returning the light-hearted theme. I give you George Carlin and Bill Maher. Very Happy

Carlin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

Maher
http://youtube.com/watch?v=eKvOyyqKaZ0

Again, my apologies.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bingo wrote:
Isn't it interesting that there are no commandments in the bible against genocide, rape, child abuse, racism, etc. Seems ole Yahweh wasn't quite as moral as us moderns whom he has the pretension to judge.

No moral person can read the bible and not be convinced that Yahweh was a psychopath.


No sensible person can read your post and not be convinced . . .

Oh, nevermind.
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