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		Yu_Bum_suk
 
  
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 5:40 pm    Post subject: OUP's Up and Away in Phonics series - suitability for teens? | 
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				I believe in taking time to teach pronunciation to adolescent language learners. There are some who would disagree and that's fine - that's not a debate I'm looking for here. What I would like to know is if anyone has tried using this series with Korean middle or high school students. If so, how did it go? What types of activities in the books worked well and what didn't? Did you tweak or modify anything and, if so, what? 
 
 
I find that there are heaps of phonics materials made for little children, and some made for adults, but very little directed at teens. Oviously Up and Away is directed at elementary school children, but I'm hoping that their level 4-6 material, seemingly geared roughly for 9-12-year-olds, would work for teens, too. Any thoughts? | 
			 
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		some waygug-in
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:25 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				I've used them sparingly, but not with middle school students. 
 
 
 
One thing that I noticed was that some of the material in books 5 and 6 is really what I would call "introductory grammar", not phonics.   But I'm sure some would disagree.  
 
 
You could try looking  books 4 - 6 and then deciding if the material is appropriate. | 
			 
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		Yu_Bum_suk
 
  
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				 Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:31 am    Post subject:  | 
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	  I've used them sparingly, but not with middle school students. 
 
 
 
One thing that I noticed was that some of the material in books 5 and 6 is really what I would call "introductory grammar", not phonics.   But I'm sure some would disagree.  
 
 
You could try looking  books 4 - 6 and then deciding if the material is appropriate. | 
	 
 
 
 
Thanks. What age group were you teaching them to? 
 
 
You're right that there seems to be a lot of grammar, and quite a mix of grammatical points in the same lesson (lessons on suffixes that cover plurals, conjugations, adverbs, and adjectives all at once, for instance). Some of the stuff in the second half of the books on syllables, stress, tone, etc. is more what I was wanting to work at with my students. I'm just wondering if it's the type of thing teens would like doing. | 
			 
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		BS.Dos.
 
  
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				 Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:56 am    Post subject:  | 
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				YBS, I've done some pronunciation work with my 2nd grade HS last year although, it was basic and only covered a couple of lessons. 
 
 
I warmed up by talking about how English is a stressed-timed language etc and recapped on vowel sounds including the use and sound of 'Y' (e) etc. I also gave the students a few simple 2/3-syllable words like 'DON-KEY' 'COM-PUT-ER'  and explained how our jaws will move with each syllable (vowel) sound, demonstrated by placing the back of your hand under your jaw as you say the words. Give them a few more words and get them to practice.
 
 
I then began with a syllable counting exercise using worksheets with varying length words which the students have to put into the correct groups i.e. 2, 3, 4, 5 syllable groups. Circulate and help as required. Once you've gone through the answers with them demonstrate how the sound of the word changes depending on which syllable we stress (for this use the words Photograph, photography and photographic for good effect and illustrate by stressing the wrong syllable e.g. Pho-to-gra-phy) (link)
 
 
I then moved on to word stress and wrote this sentence on the board and demonstrated how meaning changes depending on which word we stress:
 
 
I asked you to buy me a bunch of red roses.
 
I asked you to buy me a bunch of red roses.
 
I asked you to buy me a bunch of red roses.
 
I asked you to buy me a bunch of red roses.
 
I asked you to buy me a bunch of red roses.
 
I asked you to buy me a bunch of red roses.
 
I asked you to buy me a bunch of red roses.
 
 
Give them a few additional sentences so that they can practice themselves.
 
 
I then moved onto sentence stress and spoke about sentences having both content words and structure words or, joining words (bricks and cement is a good analogy to use if they need additional clarification) and then wrote the following words on the board:
 
 
YOU ME HIM HER
 
 
Say each word in turn and repeat continuously at a steady pace and for about 6 or 7 times, then add AND after each word:
 
 
YOU and ME and HIM and HER
 
 
Repeat as before without pausing for another 6 or 7 times before adding THEN:
 
 
YOU and then ME and then HIM and then HER
 
 
Repeat as before and then add IT's
 
 
YOU and then it's ME and then it's HIM and then it's HER
 
 
They'll probably be in stitches as you say the sentence faster and faster and the added structure words become lost as the content words become more pronounced. It's a good little exercise that none of my students could do without getting tongue tied. (Link)
 
 
I haven't really done much work emphasising tone as such, but I did do some work on mood and feelings in words. Obviously pre-teach some mood vocabulary and then give them a sentence or two and get them read the sentences using a different mood (desperate, angry etc)
 
 
Think drama classroom work would be a good way to get the idea of tone and feeling across by perhaps getting the students to rehearse a scene from a movie or something (perhaps?), although it's unlikely that this would be something you could do in a regular class, but maybe in a smaller club activity class perhaps.
 
 
 
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	  | I believe in taking time to teach pronunciation to adolescent language learners. There are some who would disagree and that's fine - that's not a debate I'm looking for here. | 
	 
 
 
 
Yeah, comes down to the old fluency vs. accuracy argument and one which I sit on the side of the former with. However, that's not to say that pronunciation should be overlooked, although I imagine in most classrooms it probably is. It's a tricky area for most, including myself, and I'd certainly welcome any additional ideas. | 
			 
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				Yeah, I've worked in quite a few excercises like the examples you give. It's also fun to show them how English-speakers speak Korean, in contrast: for instance, we tend to say ajuma / ajeoshi, becasue we like to stress certain syllables. What would be nice is some material that covers things like that systematically that doesn't look like it was made for kindergarten children. 
 
 
Re: the debate over pronunciation, I'd strongly recommend Robertson, Paul, 'Teaching English Pronunciation Skills to the Asian Learner' - http://www.asian-efl-journal.com/june2003subpr.php | 
			 
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	  I've used them sparingly, but not with middle school students. 
 
 
 
One thing that I noticed was that some of the material in books 5 and 6 is really what I would call "introductory grammar", not phonics.   But I'm sure some would disagree.  
 
 
You could try looking  books 4 - 6 and then deciding if the material is appropriate. | 
	 
 
 
 
Thanks. What age group were you teaching them to? 
 
 
You're right that there seems to be a lot of grammar, and quite a mix of grammatical points in the same lesson (lessons on suffixes that cover plurals, conjugations, adverbs, and adjectives all at once, for instance). Some of the stuff in the second half of the books on syllables, stress, tone, etc. is more what I was wanting to work at with my students. I'm just wondering if it's the type of thing teens would like doing. | 
	 
 
 
 
 
I used them for elementary students.   What I did was make copies of certain pages and used them as suppliments to whatever else I was doing.
 
I've never tried to use the whole books alone, (because I feel they'd be quite boring). | 
			 
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