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JMO



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2008 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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[I can't say how often. They just all of a sudden happen randomly. So for the how often it is random. As far as identifying, they might pop up, and I may dismiss them as something stupid that don't make sense, and then what do you know what I feel is "told" happens. I will give an example, but this could be just 100% coincidence. I was thinking of a Simon and Garfunkel song in particular, and I go into this cafe at my university, and it was playing. Of course, that could be 100% simple coincidence as we might say. A friend believes so much in coincidences, and I don't like to be one who does. Oh yes, I remembered another example. My brother several years back I felt wanted to tell me certain things, and then by e-mail he wrote those things. What about this one?
Hearing a person's thought before it's uttered. I am not talking about your best friend.
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Well I believe in coincidences also. Actually coincidences just are, I don;t think its something you can believe in or not.

The point i'm making is how many times do you dismiss a thought as stupid and not making sense and then never think about it again, as it does not connect with anything.

Really..write it down every time you have one of these thoughts. Write down what you expect to happen. Since you have a way to identify them, this should be easy.

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[I connected what my friend said afterwards. I thought it was a freaky thought. I remembered the thoughts after he said it.


So then, it is highly likely that if he does not say this, the dream will be forgotten.

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That's possible, but that thought was unusual. I never thought about my friend and eating ham before that. Well, now he won't stop talking about all the different things he eats, but that is another story:) I am not necessarily referring to dreams. I am talking about thoughts sometimes come into my mind sometimes like warnings out of nowhere some kind of intuition. If I could predict those things, scientifically watch those things, I would.


Well you can. Write them down when you get them. Try to predict what they mean. Do not wait for confirmation of these thoughts. It is my belief that you are rationalizing these thoughts intuitive warnings after the confirmation. I could be wrong of course..

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[Well, well... I was in a situation where something was warning me something, and I was half expecting that could happen, but I didn't want it to happen, and I went into it. I got burned. I doubt you can really scientific measure these things even if they existed. Let us say miracles actually happen, for example, science still has no explanation for them even if a scientist saw one in front of his eyes. Granted, I haven't seen a miracle.


Again its easy. You think something is warning you, write it down and see how it plays out. Be very specific about what the warning is about.

Scientists and skeptics don't tend to see miracles.

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When it comes to the paranormal, no one has been able to prove things like remote viewing, telepathy, or things beyond the five senses. I have experimented with thoughts. I think thoughts are worth experimenting with, the human mind whatever it is, is very fascinating. I remember wanting a certain something to happen, envisioning it, and it happened. I refused to give up, lose faith. Maybe, it was simply coincidence. I don't know. I just believe you've got nothing to lose. Norman Vincent Peale talked about it in the Power of Positive Thinking. Of course, in religion, people believe that some people can see things before they transpire or make them occur.



Well again..you would have to document every time you wished for something to happen and see how many times you are right. I think there is a reason science can;t prove anything beyond the five senses(there isn't anything there imo).

Again, document your premonitions, weird thoughts, wishes and see how many actually come true. Of course don't be vague. Don't write down 'warning' and then connect it to anything bad that happens to you later.
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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

JMO wrote:
Adventurer wrote:


[I can't say how often. They just all of a sudden happen randomly. So for the how often it is random. As far as identifying, they might pop up, and I may dismiss them as something stupid that don't make sense, and then what do you know what I feel is "told" happens. I will give an example, but this could be just 100% coincidence. I was thinking of a Simon and Garfunkel song in particular, and I go into this cafe at my university, and it was playing. Of course, that could be 100% simple coincidence as we might say. A friend believes so much in coincidences, and I don't like to be one who does. Oh yes, I remembered another example. My brother several years back I felt wanted to tell me certain things, and then by e-mail he wrote those things. What about this one?
Hearing a person's thought before it's uttered. I am not talking about your best friend.
.



Well I believe in coincidences also. Actually coincidences just are, I don;t think its something you can believe in or not.

The point i'm making is how many times do you dismiss a thought as stupid and not making sense and then never think about it again, as it does not connect with anything.

Really..write it down every time you have one of these thoughts. Write down what you expect to happen. Since you have a way to identify them, this should be easy.

[You have good questions. However, let's go with an example.
I asked my friend about his two British co-workers. For some reason, I felt he was going to later ask me if I wanted a job at his workplace.
I had no reason to think that, really. He told me they were doing great.
I had this vibe that they were not. Was that simple coincidence?
Or, do you think that is just a coincidental confirmation of one of my thoughts. Mind you, I am not talking about dreams.


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[I connected what my friend said afterwards. I thought it was a freaky thought. I remembered the thoughts after he said it.


So then, it is highly likely that if he does not say this, the dream will be forgotten.

[It was not a dream, however.


Well you can. Write them down when you get them. Try to predict what they mean. Do not wait for confirmation of these thoughts. It is my belief that you are rationalizing these thoughts intuitive warnings after the confirmation. I could be wrong of course..

[Well, what happens is I noticed certain thoughts that just stand out.
We have tons of thoughts. Then those thoughts that stand out when confirmed seem to make me ponder things. With the example of thinking of my friend and eating pork, that was kind of strange.
I dismissed it, but I didn't forget it. I wondered why I thought of it.
It seemed like an odd thing to simply pop into my head. Anyway, one can have immediate examples with a sixth sense. What of reading someone's thought before it being expressed and actually feeling the energy of it before it is uttered? I know it sounds strange, but I remember an incident several years back with this girl who I didn't know so well, who was a lot of fun, and we were next to this stream and talking, and I at one moment felt a thought she had.

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[Well, well... I was in a situation where something was warning me something, and I was half expecting that could happen, but I didn't want it to happen, and I went into it. I got burned. I doubt you can really scientific measure these things even if they existed. Let us say miracles actually happen, for example, science still has no explanation for them even if a scientist saw one in front of his eyes. Granted, I haven't seen a miracle.


Again its easy. You think something is warning you, write it down and see how it plays out. Be very specific about what the warning is about.

[These are not simply warnings. They are sometimes telepathic type incidents, where you feel someone's thoughts, feel events that may unfolod. It isn't just one kind. I am sure other posters have stuff like that happen all the time.


Scientists and skeptics don't tend to see miracles.

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When it comes to the paranormal, no one has been able to prove things like remote viewing, telepathy, or things beyond the five senses. I have experimented with thoughts. I think thoughts are worth experimenting with, the human mind whatever it is, is very fascinating. I remember wanting a certain something to happen, envisioning it, and it happened. I refused to give up, lose faith. Maybe, it was simply coincidence. I don't know. I just believe you've got nothing to lose. Norman Vincent Peale talked about it in the Power of Positive Thinking. Of course, in religion, people believe that some people can see things before they transpire or make them occur.



Well again..you would have to document every time you wished for something to happen and see how many times you are right. I think there is a reason science can;t prove anything beyond the five senses(there isn't anything there imo).

Again, document your premonitions, weird thoughts, wishes and see how many actually come true. Of course don't be vague. Don't write down 'warning' and then connect it to anything bad that happens to you later.
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agoodmouse



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This corresponds roughly to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity.

Synchronicity isn't precipitated by premonitions, but this concept is in the arena of your situation in some ways. The difference, however, is you're somehow receiving new information from a source which you cannot pinpoint. Adventurer, were the two British runners newly arrived ESL teachers? If they were, this could've caused you to have it in the back of your mind they might flee.

When strange coincidences happen, or cause us to meet that "one companion," all that matters is our appreciation of and the degree to which we give merit to these events. I can't remember who said it, but I read a quote somewhere in a newspaper, or heard someone quoted in an NPR interview, as saying "love is the absolute appreciation of the fortuitousness of having actually met."

One evening I was in my room and had an idea I thought was great so went to my sister's room to tell her. I walked in and said "wouldn't it be great..." and she finished my sentence verbatim, saying: "if there was a bed that exactly fit your body underneath." Think of the mattress you've got. Now lie down on the mattress. Everywhere that isn't under your body (i.e. arms, legs, head, torso, shoulders, feet, etc) doesn't exist. Later, she went on to study engineering and I went on to double major in English and philosophy for my degree.
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RACETRAITOR



Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's this simple little game I play online at work to take my mind off English. It's kind of a Monopoly knockoff, where you roll dice, go around a board, and buy properties and charge rent to other players. Sometimes when there's one really bad property to land on, I think to myself "Don't roll a 5 don't roll a 5 don't roll a 5." If I roll a 5, I think "I knew it!" but if I don't roll a 5, I quickly forget any feelings of intuition.

By the way, I usually win.
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PigeonFart



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i knew you were going to ask that question.
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ED209



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PigeonFart wrote:
i knew you were going to ask that question.


I was going to write the exact same thing, weird.
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RACETRAITOR



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a premonition that the two of you would have the urge to write the exact same thing.
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agoodmouse



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This goes back to David Hume who said people psychologize events by attaching providence (i.e. spiritual or metaphysical significance) to them when such events can never be confirmed as more than things which, although highly unlikely, but if given enough time, are bound to occur. We always think, "what are the chances." But for me, I simply appreciate an event's having happened (e.g. winning the lottery), because you can't make sense of such an event except by logic. You can, however, always change the way you feel about an event or thing. That's the true way of a devoted follower of the Stoics.
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