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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| No the contact in your picture is in many ways like this contact. |
No. We needed Russia to defeat the Nazis. They took the brunt of Hitler's attack. One could say that Russia did us a favor, as they could have easily swept across more of Europe than they did.
We didn't need to provide Saddam with chemical and biological weapons. You can't claim that the end justifies the means and then use those very same means to indict Saddam years later. |
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jkelly80
Joined: 13 Jun 2007
Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:09 am Post subject: |
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| By that logic, we should have invaded Florida and executed Jeb Bush for allowing al-Qaeda to take flight lessons. Contact? You'll need something better than that. |
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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| By that logic, we should have invaded Florida and executed Jeb Bush for allowing al-Qaeda to take flight lessons. |
Is it too late to take more appropriate action? |
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djsmnc
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Dave's ESL Cafe
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| No the contact in your picture is in many ways like this contact. |
No. We needed Russia to defeat the Nazis. They took the brunt of Hitler's attack. One could say that Russia did us a favor, as they could have easily swept across more of Europe than they did.
We didn't need to provide Saddam with chemical and biological weapons. You can't claim that the end justifies the means and then use those very same means to indict Saddam years later. |
"Let's keep our boots polished, bayonets sharpened, and present a picture of force and strength to the Russians. This is the only language that they understand and respect. If you fail to do this, then I would like to say that we have had a victory over the Germans, and have disarmed them, but we have lost the war."
"The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinese or a Japanese. From what I have seen of them I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russians have no regard for human life and they are all out sons of bitc hes, barbarians, and chronic drunks"
"It is said that for the first week after the Russians took Berlin, all women who ran were shot and those who did not were raped. I could have taken Berlin if I had been allowed"
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:36 am Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| No the contact in your picture is in many ways like this contact. |
No. We needed Russia to defeat the Nazis. They took the brunt of Hitler's attack. One could say that Russia did us a favor, as they could have easily swept across more of Europe than they did.
We didn't need to provide Saddam with chemical and biological weapons. You can't claim that the end justifies the means and then use those very same means to indict Saddam years later. |
Khomeni was after the the US. I guess the US ought to have just ignored it.
Remember Khomeni was a fascist bigot . |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: |
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You label me a moonbat, thats your right. I don't apologize for the Iranian regime. I would be happier than a pig in *beep* if it were to cave in on itself this very moment.
Where you and I differ is your ability to simply ignore the realities of what the people of iran/a large majority of the world's population believe. Your spouting off of "they don't have a right to their war" has to be the most ridiculous lines of reasoning I have ever come across. |
I understand your story - It has a useful lesson but it is different from what the US is dealing with.
Why Iran hasn't been after the US.
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Shipment of high explosives intercepted in Iraq
Most sophisticated of roadside bombs reportedly coming from Iran |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8829929/
9/11 Commission Finds Ties Between al-Qaeda and Iran
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| Senior U.S. officials have told TIME that the 9/11 Commission's report will cite evidence suggesting that the 9/11 hijackers had previously passed through Iran |
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,664967,00.html
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| The American military said Tuesday that it had credible evidence linking Iranians and their Iraqi associates, detained here in raids last week, to criminal activities, including attacks against American forces. Evidence also emerged that some detainees had been involved in shipments of weapons to illegal armed groups in Iraq. |
http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F0061EF635550C748EDDAB0994DE404482
Khobar Towers
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| On June 25, 1996, Iran again attacked America at Dhahran, Saudi Arabia, exploding a huge truck bomb that devastated Khobar Towers and murdered 19 U.S. airmen as they rested in their dormitory. These young heroes spent every day risking their lives enforcing the no-fly zone over southern Iraq; that is, protecting Iraqi Shiites from their own murderous tyrant. When I visited this horrific scene soon after the attack, I watched dozens of dedicated FBI agents combing through the wreckage in 120-degree heat, reverently handling the human remains of our brave young men. More than 400 of our Air Force men and women were wounded in this well-planned attack, and I was humbled by their courage and spirit. I later met with the families of our lost Khobar heroes and promised that we would do whatever was necessary to bring these terrorists to American justice. The courage and dignity these wonderful families have consistently exemplified has been one of the most powerful experiences of my 26 years of public service. |
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110003518
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Iran responsible for 1983 Marine barracks bombing, judge rules
Friday, May 30, 2003 Posted: 11:14 PM EDT (0314 GMT)
Marines search through the rubble for their missing comrades after the 1983 barracks bombing in Beirut, Lebanon.
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| WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is responsible for the 1983 suicide bombing of a U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon, that killed 241 American servicemen, a U.S. District Court judge ruled Friday. |
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/30/iran.barracks.bombing/
Amir Taheri: Khomeinists hammering new strategy to oust 'Great Satan'
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But at almost exactly the same time, militants from some 40 countries spread across the globe were trekking to Tehran for a 10-day "revolutionary jamboree" in which "a new strategy to confront the American Great Satan" will be hammered out. The event is scheduled to start on February 1 to mark the 25th anniversary of the return to Iran from exile of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the founder of the "Islamic Revolution".
It is not clear how many militants will attend, but the official media promise a massive turnout to underline the Islamic Republic's position as the "throbbing heart of world resistance to American arrogance."
The guest list reads like a who-is-who of global terror.
In fact, most of the organisations attending the event, labelled "Ten-Days of Dawn", are branded by the US and some European Union members as terrorist outfits. For more than two decades, Tehran has been a magnet for militant groups from many different national and ideological backgrounds.
The Islamic Republic's hospitality cuts across even religious divides. Militant Sunni organisations, including two linked to Al Qaida, Ansar al-Islam (Companions of Islam) and Hizb Islami (The Islamic Party), enjoy Iranian hospitality.
They are joined by Latin American guerrilla outfits, clandestine Irish organisations, Basque and Corsican separatists, and a variety of leftist groups from Spartacists to Trotskyites and Guevarists. Tehran is the only capital where all the Palestinian militant movements have offices and, in some cases, training and financial facilities. |
http://archive.gulfnews.com/articles/04/01/28/109235.html
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U.S.: Top Iran officials ordering bombs to Iraq
Orders to send armor-piercing bombs came from highest levels, official says |
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17097658/
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| There exists, in this world, different realities. Simply acknowledging another persons' reality is not being apologetic. What is the outcome of your particular line of reasoning Joo? Capitulation (ridiculous because they are not even attacking us) or war, instigated by us. Get this straight, like the regime or not. The Iranian regime is doing NOTHING that western, asian, or african regimes have not done in the past when other powers have infringed upon their areas of interest. You call it apologizing, I call it stating a mere fact |
Iran doesn't have a right to their war.
One of the major causes of terror is that mideast regimes and elites teach violence and incite violence as a military tactic .
9-11 showed what happens when the US allows it to go on.
Just let you know a little more about the enemy
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July 13, 1991
Japanese Translator of Rushdie Book Found Slain
By STEVEN R. WEISMAN
OKYO, July 12 -- The Japanese translator of "The Satanic Verses," by Salman Rushdie, was found slain today at a university northeast of Tokyo.
The translator, Hitoshi Igarashi, 44 years old, was an assistant professor of comparative culture who reportedly studied in Iran in the 1970's. The police said he was stabbed several times on Thursday night and left in the hallway outside his office at Tsukuba University.
It is the second time this month that someone involved with the production of the novel by Mr. Rushdie, the Indian-born author condemned to death by the Iranian authorities two years ago, has been assaulted. On July 3, Ettore Capriolo, 61, the Italian translator of "The Satanic Verses," was stabbed in his apartment in Milan. He survived the attack with what were described as superficial wounds |
http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/04/18/specials/rushdie-translator.html
He wasn't the only one to get taken out either.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:41 am Post subject: |
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| By that logic, we should have invaded Florida and executed Jeb Bush for allowing al-Qaeda to take flight lessons. Contact? You'll need something better than that. |
Well if Al Qaeda and Saddam had contacts it wasn't to make the world a better place. |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| No the contact in your picture is in many ways like this contact. |
No. We needed Russia to defeat the Nazis. They took the brunt of Hitler's attack. One could say that Russia did us a favor, as they could have easily swept across more of Europe than they did.
We didn't need to provide Saddam with chemical and biological weapons. You can't claim that the end justifies the means and then use those very same means to indict Saddam years later. |
Khomeni was after the the US. I guess the US ought to have just ignored it. |
Ought the US have supplied Saddam with chemical and biological weapons?
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| Remember Khomeni was a fascist bigot . |
Ought the US go after every fascist bigot in the world? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| There is nothing to your position Huffdaddy, but "should have." You do not approve of American foreign policy (whether you truly understand it and its complexities is another matter). Acknowledged. So what? |
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huffdaddy
Joined: 25 Nov 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| There is nothing to your position Huffdaddy, but "should have." |
As opposed to your position, which is... nothing?
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| You do not approve of American foreign policy (whether you truly understand it and its complexities is another matter). |
I "do not approve of American foreign policy"? Wtf is that? That's a mighty step in assumptions you've made there. Do you approve of the US supplying third world dictators with chemical and biological weapons? I guess so.
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| Acknowledged. So what? |
Yes. So what? Do you have a point? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Do you approve of the US supplying third world dictators with chemical and biological weapons? I guess so. |
Apparently. If we do not oppose the Great Satan we must be mindless flagwavers who cheer all it does. We are either with the United States or against it, right?
Your worldview is easy enough to figure out. It is also boring. We already know that you and most others here self-righteously disapprove of "American foreign policy." I bet you could even cite "the government," "corporations," "the people in power," and "the people" and "the rest of the world" to back your position up, if pressed.
Go back to asking Joo your rhetorical questions, or proposing formulaic discussions that you already know the answers to. This we call "conversation" on the Current Events Forum... |
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TexasPete
Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| actually there were contacts according to the 9-11 commission. |
So, the Pentagon itself reviews 600,000 Iraqi documents to come to the conclusion that there was no link between Sadaam and AQ and yet you're still clinging to this desperate hope that they actually were in cahoots? Despite all evidence to the contrary? Why? Because it "makes sense" and the whole "enemy of my enemy is my friend" rationale?
To put it another way, what possible benefit to the administration (past, present or future) does this conclusion by the Pentagon give?
Or, are you just putting it out there, wondering why the 9/11 commission and this new Pentagon report are at odds? |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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"There were contacts."
"They were in cahoots."
Not the same thing. Why are we discussing this as an either/or choice? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| huffdaddy wrote: |
| Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee wrote: |
| No the contact in your picture is in many ways like this contact. |
No. We needed Russia to defeat the Nazis. They took the brunt of Hitler's attack. One could say that Russia did us a favor, as they could have easily swept across more of Europe than they did.
We didn't need to provide Saddam with chemical and biological weapons. You can't claim that the end justifies the means and then use those very same means to indict Saddam years later. |
Khomeni was after the the US. I guess the US ought to have just ignored it. |
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| Ought the US have supplied Saddam with chemical and biological weapons? |
The US didn't supply him with weapons. No the US ought not have allowed him to buy much of what he did. However it is also true that much of what Saddam bought was not tightly controlled almost any nation could have bought such items from the US.
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| Remember Khomeni was a fascist bigot . |
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| Ought the US go after every fascist bigot in the world |
If they out to get the US yes. If there is a high chance they can become very powerful yes. |
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Hater Depot
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Your worldview is easy enough to figure out. It is also boring. |
After about 10 or 15 posts here isn't everybody rather predictable? |
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