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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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 Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: "If Obama was a white man..." ponders Ferraro |
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080311/pl_afp/usvote
Here's a chunk of the article:
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Ferraro, who sits on Clinton's finance committee and has spoken at her rallies, sparked the firestorm when she was quoted by a California newspaper as saying: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position."
Obama, the first African-American with a viable shot at the White House, called the remark by the Democrats' 1984 vice presidential nominee "patently absurd."
"I don't think that Geraldine Ferraro's comments have any place in our politics or the Democratic Party," he told Pennsylvania newspaper The Morning Call.
His campaign clamored for Ferraro's head, noting the swift resignation of an Obama aide last week after her remark that Clinton was a "monster" sparked howls of outrage from the New York senator's team.
Obama's top strategist David Axelrod said the comments were part of an "insidious pattern that needs to be addressed," bringing up previous racially tinged rows between the two camps.
But Clinton said only that she did "not agree" with Ferraro's portrayal of Obama as the privileged recipient of affirmative action, and found it "regrettable" that supporters might resort to personal attacks.
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
Location: Goseong
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:07 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, my god, this woman just doesn't sh.u.t up.
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| Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let's address reality and the problems we're facing in this world, you're accused of being racist, so you have to shut up. Racism works in two different directions. I really think they're attacking me because I'm white. How's that? |
That's two specious accusations of racism by Ferraro. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| She's a friend of Robert Byrd. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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You beat me to the punch, flakfizer; good for you.
It's common knowledge that Ferraro is and always has been a big Clinton backer. They're both old school (marm) feminists from way, way, way back.
Geraldine (not to be confused with the Flip Wilson comedic character by the same name, since she was Black) is one of those closet racist liberals.
Now, don't get me wrong: I'm not saying that all liberals are racists. Obviously the Obama backers on this board are not.
But it is rather amusing, in a hypocritical sort of way, that the very people who pushed affirmative action policy (like Gerry and Hillary) are now MOCKING IT when it doesn't serve their personal interests (re: untoward ambitions).
So typical of this crowd. When it affects them, suddenly it's a bad policy.
BUT IT'S ALSO NOT THE REAL ISSUE HERE
This is yet another slick and slightly embittered attempt to diminish the stature of Obama among the Party faithful. Plant the seed that he's been given a free ride, that he hasn't earned it.
NEVER MIND THAT HE HAS THE BIGGEST GRASSROOTS FUNDRAISING EFFORT IN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORY or that his staff works overtime to canvass upcoming primaries.
Nope, he's still been given a hand up in their view. And if they really believe that, they're racist. If it's just another ploy, they're being unfair and insensitive. Either way, they're showing their true colors, and those ain't pretty, folks. |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007
Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:16 pm Post subject: |
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and if hillary wasn't married to bill...
and if mccain hadn't been the scion of a military clan he woulda been courtmartialed for the forrestal and we never woulda...
life happens. get over it. the clinton campaign keeps manufacturing these petty ;ifs" and are poisoning popular consent about her. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
| And if they really believe that, they're racist |
Who is they? Ferraro is one individual.
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| the clinton campaign keeps manufacturing these petty ;ifs" and are poisoning popular consent about her. |
Who is in the Clinton campaign manufacturing 'ifs?' Ferraro is running off her mouth and hers alone.
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Obama campaign manager David Axelrod called Ferraro's comments part of an "insidious pattern" of remarks from Clinton supporters that have drawn attention to Obama's race.
"When you wink and nod at offensive statements, you're really sending a signal to your supporters that anything goes," Axelrod said, according to ABC News.
Ferraro said the Clinton campaign cannot fire her because she is not an adviser.
"It's impossible to fire somebody who's not involved with it," she said. |
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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
Location: Masan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:28 pm Post subject: |
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| mistermasan wrote: |
| ... mccain ... woulda been courtmartialed for the forrestal ... |
I'm afraid you will have to explain this one.
Are you insinuating that John McCain fired the Missle that caused the fire?
What is your direct accusation of McCain wrong doing in the Forrestal Incident?
Do you have direct evidence?
Do you have a different account of the Forrestal?
I have never heard anyone raise any accusations against McCain in regards to the Forrestal until now.
You must know something that no one else does please enlighten us.
"...Lieutenant Commander, McCain was almost killed in action on July 29,
1967, while serving on Forrestal, operating in the Gulf of Tonkin. He was
at the epicenter of the Forrestal fire, when a rocket accidentally fired
across the carrier's deck and hit planes, including McCain's which had
been waiting to launch. McCain escaped from his burning jet and was
trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded; McCain was
struck in the legs and chest by shrapnel."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain#Vietnam_operations
Edited to correct a typo
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blaseblasphemener
Joined: 01 Jun 2006
Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
You beat me to the punch, flakfizer; good for you.
It's common knowledge that Ferraro is and always has been a big Clinton backer. They're both old school (marm) feminists from way, way, way back.
Geraldine (not to be confused with the Flip Wilson comedic character by the same name, since she was Black) is one of those closet racist liberals.
Now, don't get me wrong: I'm not saying that all liberals are racists. Obviously the Obama backers on this board are not.
But it is rather amusing, in a hypocritical sort of way, that the very people who pushed affirmative action policy (like Gerry and Hillary) are now MOCKING IT when it doesn't serve their personal interests (re: untoward ambitions).
So typical of this crowd. When it affects them, suddenly it's a bad policy.
BUT IT'S ALSO NOT THE REAL ISSUE HERE
This is yet another slick and slightly embittered attempt to diminish the stature of Obama among the Party faithful. Plant the seed that he's been given a free ride, that he hasn't earned it.
NEVER MIND THAT HE HAS THE BIGGEST GRASSROOTS FUNDRAISING EFFORT IN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORY or that his staff works overtime to canvass upcoming primaries.
Nope, he's still been given a hand up in their view. And if they really believe that, they're racist. If it's just another ploy, they're being unfair and insensitive. Either way, they're showing their true colors, and those ain't pretty, folks. |
If we want to base the presidential race on popularity and how much money you can raise, Obama's a contender, but if it is based on who would best serve the country, he comes up short, even when measured against the candidates who went at it last time the Democrats tried to elect a president.
Dennis Kucinich, John Edwards, Tom Vilsack, Bill Richardson, Joe Biden and even Hillary have completed at least one term as either a governor, senator or member of the House.
Obama is two years into his term as a senator. Yes, he served seven years in the Illinois legislature, but it's a big leap to go from the state Senate to campaigning for the Oval Office.
"But, he's better than anybody the Republicans can run," some people are saying.
That may be so, but is he the best choice for America, which will be coming off of eight years of George Bush and a Congress that will barely have had time to turn around before the next election?
No, and it doesn't matter how many babies he kisses, how much money he raises or how many times he makes the cover of People magazine between now and the next election.
-www.smirkingchimp.com |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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No surprise, blase, that you would find Dennis "My Ears are Bigger than Perot's-Kucinich to be a more viable candidate than Obama.
Yes, with Dennis the Menace in charge, we could all have rested easier. Alas, it's not to be. 
Kuros sniped:
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stevemcgarrett wrote:
And if they really believe that, they're racist Who is they? Ferraro is one individual. |
Leave it to you to cherry pick my post; I used the plural form because I was referring not only to Ferraro but those liberals who behave like she does. Now scram from my orchard. |
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Tony_Balony
Joined: 12 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| If Barack Hussein were white he'd be a nobody, he'd be a John Edwards. BO is just a clean Negro. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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This is my favorite comment about Ferraro's mindless comments:
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| Because running as a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama is soooo easy. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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Even though she doesn't have an official capacity in the campaign, Ferraro does represent the campaign as a well known supporter and fundraiser (she herself admited that she was fundraising for Clinton, though I personally didn't know it prior to this coming up). Either way, Ferraro should apologize not only for the comment itself, but accusing the Obama campaign of blowing it out of proportion.
If an Obama supporter made a sexist comment, Clinton would be screaming at the top of her lungs. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
This is yet another slick and slightly embittered attempt to diminish the stature of Obama among the Party faithful. Plant the seed that he's been given a free ride, that he hasn't earned it.
NEVER MIND THAT HE HAS THE BIGGEST GRASSROOTS FUNDRAISING EFFORT IN PRESIDENTIAL HISTORY or that his staff works overtime to canvass upcoming primaries.
Nope, he's still been given a hand up in their view. And if they really believe that, they're racist. If it's just another ploy, they're being unfair and insensitive. Either way, they're showing their true colors, and those ain't pretty, folks. |
Steve,
Well put, I agree this goes to show the level some are playing at. You might also have noticed this was the second really bad story for Clinton in as many days (the other one being Spitzer's use of prosititues).
We've heard nothing but the drumbeat of Obama not being experienced enough to be president and how Clinton has been fully vetted. It's time to go after the character issue once again and look at who Clinton has involved herself with (both her and her husband) because it is fairgame. Where are the tax returns she keeps promising? How about the papers from the Clinton Library that prove she was involved in all of the things she says she was involved in.
I've also had many people tell me that they think there is no way that Obama will be allowed to be the nominee. That maybe the case given some of the stuff we are hearing about delegate counts and floor fights. |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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MilwaukieDave:
You and I are on the same page about this and I believe you are one of the few regular posters to this forum who would defend Obama against these salacious, wide-ranging, ad hominem attacks even if he weren't your obvious choice for President.
Notice the not-so-subtle racism from posters like Tony Full-of-Baloney.
And then you observed:
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| If an Obama supporter made a sexist comment, Clinton would be screaming at the top of her lungs. |
BINGO. It just goes to show you that Hillary operates from a warped view of feminist entitlement. Never mind that many feminists of color resent the manner in which White feminists lay claim to the movement, or believe they best articulate its views. Ferraro and Clinton come from that pioneering 60's feminist movement led in the media by Whites but supported and sustained by women of color, especially in the Black community. I'd love to hear what Michelle is saying about this behind closed doors.
And how typical of Hillary to immediately respond in defense of Ferraro--not her comments, from which she (publicly) distanced herself--but her continued involvement with the campaign.
I think you'll agree that had Obama done likewise after a similar swipe, Hillary would be hollering louder than she did at Bill the night the news broke about the Lewinsky affair.
BTW: an interesting sidenote: Matt Drudge has made no bones about the fact that he dislikes Hillary Clinton. He came to prominence on the Lewinsky affair and while many liberals think he's a dyed-in-the-wool conservative, independent media studies have shown that if anything he posts more liberal-leaning articles. My guess is that he belongs to that most detested of political camps, which includes me--moderates.
But don't take my word for it: if you visit the daily Drudge Report, you'll see that nearly all of his Clinton photos with which he leads are unflattering. I find it rather amusing. Last week he had one where she was raising a "V" for victory sign but index finger was obscured by her clothing, making it look at first glace that she was flipping the bird. |
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