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ou812
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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 Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:41 am Post subject: 25% of young American girls with STD's |
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As circulated in many news reports, 25% of all young American girls (or girls in America) are infected with some sort of STD.
Makes you wonder how much that number increases if you figure the following:
college/university + start of career/first real job + spring break (girls gone wild) + Mardi Gras + anyplace with alcohol = ???
Not scientific by any means, but, if someone wants to apply some
logarithm, the chances of being more than 50% by age 21 is realistic.
NO WONDER WHY FOREIGN GUYS WANTS ASIAN CHICKS!!!
And because of this cross-contamination, I assume that the number will rise to Korean girls shortly. |
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aarontendo
Joined: 08 Feb 2006
Location: Daegu-ish
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| If it's that well circulated then hook me up with a link nukka! |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:48 am Post subject: |
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Assuming that Asian girls don't have STDs is pretty weak. I'm guessing you're a newb, or else you'd know that:
a) condom use among Koreans is often perceived as a sign of mistrust or a lack of love
b) STD testing is difficult to get. I went to an ob-gyn clinic to ask for a check-up, and the doctor actually refused, saying "Korean women don't ask for that kind of thing." He did, however, offer to give me a series of expensive and unnecessary tests, like a uterine ultrasound.
You're also assuming that these girls will still have the same STDs five years later, which is silly, given that HPV often goes away on its own, and other infections, like chlamydia, are easily and effectively treated by antibiotics.
Edumacate yourself, man! |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:50 am Post subject: |
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| aarontendo wrote: |
| If it's that well circulated then hook me up with a link nukka! |
check next page
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| kermo wrote: |
You're also assuming that these girls will still have the same STDs five years later, which is silly, given that HPV often goes away on its own, and other infections, like chlamydia, are easily and effectively treated by antibiotics.
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Yeah, I don't follow this guy's math. How would you "apply some logarithm"? |
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ou812
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:09 am Post subject: |
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Yes, you are correct that some STD's can go away with treatment. However, alot of STD's can be in remission (but the virus) will remain in some dormant form. And STD's such as herpes cannot be cured only treated.
And, I am sure that there are Korean girls with STD's , but any betting man would hardly doubt that the number is close to the statistics involving American girls.
Newb, no. |
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ou812
Joined: 07 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:14 am Post subject: |
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BTW, yeah your right, logarithm is totally wrong.
And regarding that the problem will naturally go away in 5 years time - it would be nice during this period if they abstained.
But we know, the way they experiment these days, just a few cases could be spread like wildfire. And the cycle continues... |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| ou812 wrote: |
Yes, you are correct that some STD's can go away with treatment. However, alot of STD's can be in remission (but the virus) will remain in some dormant form. And STD's such as herpes cannot be cured only treated.
And, I am sure that there are Korean girls with STD's , but any betting man would hardly doubt that the number is close to the statistics involving American girls.
Newb, no. |
I'm willing to be the percentage rate of STDs in S. Korean teenagers may be lower, but I bet the rate among S. Koreans and Americans as a whole is about the same.
Teenagers in the USA are more likely to start sex at a younger age due to Korea's conservative nature. But STD awareness and sexual education is much more prevalent in the USA (despite Bush's and the social conservatives' agenda) and once people get the message, most insist on using condoms. Many Korean men are known not to like condoms, more so than Americans.
Add all this to the prevalence of noraebang girls, massage parlors and coffee girls, and you've got stats that are going to be similar among the populations. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:28 am Post subject: |
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| Human papillomavirus, or HPV, affected 18% of the girls surveyed, chlamydia 4%, trichomoniasis 2.5%, and herpes simplex virus 2% |
As I understand (i hope i'm not dreadfully ignorant) HPV doesn't really have any effect on dudes. The one I really worry about is herpes, and that's fortunately at 2% (lower than I would have thought). So I don't think this report can be taken to mean American girls are to be avoided in favor of the pure chastity of Korean girls. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:50 am Post subject: |
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Here you go:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/03/14/MN19286.DTL
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When South Korean children press their parents for an explanation on how babies are born, many moms and dads tell them they were found under a bridge, in the same way their American counterparts invoke the classic tale of the stork.
In South Korea, conservative mores discourage frank discussions about sex and some people say promiscuity and adultery are less common than in many other Asian countries.
"Most people don't have sex before marriage. It is just not accepted," said Min Ju Kim, a 24-year-old university student in Seoul, who like most single South Koreans lives at home. "My mother changes the (television) channel when people kiss."
Many health experts say society's renunciation of promiscuity is a major reason why South Korea's 50 million inhabitants have one of the lowest HIV infection rates in Asia. The United Nations HIV/AIDS agency (UNAIDS) says there were only 4,000 cases, or .01 percent of the 15-to-49 year age bracket, at the end of 2001.
But the outwardly conservative Korean culture is not always what it seems.
Some recent surveys show that 17 percent of high school students are sexually active. And since South Korea is a male-dominated society, many urban red-light areas resemble a huge "boy's club" -- bars outnumber other businesses; coin-fed punching bags and kicking machines test strength; Karaoke clubs called norae-bongs allow men to sing, drink and flirt with young women, and "barber shops" offer "massages."
Official statistics show that men account for nearly 89 percent of Koreans with HIV. Most are in their 30s, making up 35.2 percent of current cases, compared with 27.1 percent of men in their 20s. About 29 percent contracted the virus through homosexual activity.
About 94 percent of all South Koreans contracted the virus through sexual transmission, with 67 percent from heterosexual intercourse and 30 percent from homosexual intercourse, according to the National Institute of Health. Very few South Koreans contracted HIV through dirty needles.
The high percentage of men with HIV raises the seldom-discussed question of extramarital sex, which health experts say has become more prevalent in recent years.
Most men looking for affairs frequent commercial sex workers. An entrenched culture of prostitution traces its origins to the Japanese colonial period of 1910 to 1945, when prostitution was legal.
According to a recent study by the Korean Institute of Criminology, 358,000 men visit prostitutes daily at one of Korea's 5,000 illegal barber shops, steam baths, hotels, tea rooms and salons for businessmen. The study found that nearly 20 percent in the 20-to-64 age bracket purchase sex more than four times a month.
As in neighboring Japan, the sex industry in South Korea is big business, accounting for $20 billion, or 4.1 percent of the nation's total gross domestic product in 2002, just behind agriculture at 4.4 percent, according to the same report by the Korean Institute of Criminology.
Health officials say a thriving sex industry and a reluctance to talk about safe sex likely contributed to a steady increase in infections.
In 1997, the government recorded 124 new cases while in 2002, the number grew to 400, the largest increase since the first case was confirmed in 1985.
"We need to fight the sexual taboos and make it OK to talk about it," said Kwon Jun Wook, director of the National Institute of Health's Division of Communicable Disease Control.
The first known case, in 1985, was a South Korean prostitute who had sex mainly with U.S. servicemen. When other women from areas near U.S. bases tested HIV-positive in the late 1980s, they all had a specific virus now known as the "Korean strain." Health experts say a majority of AIDS cases in South Korea carry that strain.
Since then, U.S. servicemen and women are screened for HIV before they leave the United States. Once they arrive in South Korea, they are tested periodically, and any who test positive are sent home immediately.
Until 1990, health experts say every AIDS victim contracted the disease overseas or through contact with foreigners living here. But by 1993, the majority of new infections were passed from Korean to Korean.
Health officials say reluctance to use condoms, a rise in infections among homosexuals, an increase in young Koreans' sexual activities and lack of information about contraception are likely factors that could lead to a significant increase in HIV infections in future years.
"Korea needs to be shocked by someone famous with the disease, like the United States with Rock Hudson," said Kwon. "Maybe then parents will see the importance of talking about it at home."
The government now offers a Web site with AIDS information, a 24-hour hot- line and free AIDS tests. The National Institute of Health also plans to install 18,000 condom vending machines at major nightspots throughout the country and at "every possible location we can," said Kwon.
Recognizing the reluctance of parents to address AIDS, sexuality and especially contraception, a government campaign encourages middle school and high school teachers to lead candid discussions with their students about the consequences of unprotected sex.
Starting at the middle school level, students are taught about abstinence and safe sex practices. But critics say the depth of classroom discussions depends on the willingness of individual teachers to broach the subject. Students say some would rather show anatomical charts and tame videos than preside over a frank discussion.
Saets Byul Choi, a 16-year-old high school student from the industrial city of Ansan, just south of Seoul, recalled a recent video shown at her school.
"It was about a man and a woman who fall in love and get married. They get into the bed fully dressed and the screen goes black," she said. "When they return to the screen, the woman has a big stomach."
For Ji Suk Kang, a 16-year-old high school student from Seoul, the fuss over dangerous sexual practices is moot. Like many South Korean youths, she is wrapped up in her studies and has little time to worry about sexually transmitted diseases.
"I am so busy with school that I don't even have time for a boyfriend," she said.
Meanwhile, government officials talk about legalizing prostitution in an effort to control the flourishing industry. Their greatest fear is that foreign visitors who visit red-light districts could help spread the disease.
"Compared to other countries, South Korea has a low infection rate," said Kwon. "But as society becomes more liberal about sex, the rate is expected to climb." |
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RACETRAITOR
Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| What the article fails to mention is how fun it was to spread those diseases. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| I am calling BS on that 25% number. Maybe 25% have had a disease, but currently have? No way. |
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Darashii
Joined: 08 Jan 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:34 am Post subject: |
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If I remember correctly, a male friend of mine said that he developed some kinda rash-like thing on his wang after having his gf diagnosed with HPV.
And yeah, from my experience, Koreans aren't educated about sex at all.
One OBGYN told me that everybody tests positive for herpes.
Another "doctor" told me that you can't get herpes on your genitals, but you can get HPV (like HPV is the "Disease of the Week" - yeah, me know lotsa about that one!).
Finally went to the International Clinic in Seoul to get tested, but that's just pathetic. I felt like asking him to contact his colleagues on Jeju to edumacate them on the birds and the bees. |
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DrunkenMaster
Joined: 04 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:58 am Post subject: |
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| Human papillomavirus, or HPV, affected 18% of the girls surveyed, chlamydia 4%, trichomoniasis 2.5%, and herpes simplex virus 2% |
As I understand (i hope i'm not dreadfully ignorant) HPV doesn't really have any effect on dudes. The one I really worry about is herpes, and that's fortunately at 2% (lower than I would have thought). So I don't think this report can be taken to mean American girls are to be avoided in favor of the pure chastity of Korean girls. |
Now multiply. |
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kermo
Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: Eating eggs, with a comb, out of a shoe.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:54 am Post subject: |
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| ou812 wrote: |
BTW, yeah your right, logarithm is totally wrong.
And regarding that the problem will naturally go away in 5 years time - it would be nice during this period if they abstained.
But we know, the way they experiment these days, just a few cases could be spread like wildfire. And the cycle continues... |
Which problems naturally go away in five years?
With HPV it can be only a few months.
Trichomoniasis was one of the top offenders, but it's not an STD (they're called SDIs these days) that people hear much about, probably because it's not one that causes crazy long-term damage like syphilis, gonorrhea or chlamydia. Also, it rarely causes any symptoms in men, and 20% of women carrying don't have any outward signs.
Also, Korean women don't have to be promiscuous to be infected. They just have to have slept with one person who was infected. When you look at what Korean guys get up to (room salons, anmas, dodgy barber shops, sex tourism in Thailand and Vietnam) the odds are pretty substantial.
I'm glad someone else brought up the goofy state of sexual health education here in Korea. Not that all Westerners have their facts straight either (ahem.) |
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