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Would you ever teach in RUSSIA/UKRAINE/CENTRAL ASIA?
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Would you ever teach in RUSSIA/UKRAINE/CENTRAL ASIA?
yes
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no
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

soviet_man wrote:
I don't know much about Ukraine or the Central Asia republics. But I personally would likely find them isolating places. Tajiks, Azeris and Turkmenis especially - have a very negative reputation in Russia and their countries receive little support from Russia nowadays.

Those are three countries I would personally avoid. I'd imagine they are pro-Chechnyan for one, which would give most Russians a headache when it comes to politican conversation.
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:

Anyone else on Ukraine or Kazakhstan? (Or even Georgia, Amenia, Kygystan, Uzbekistan, etc.?)


I did an abbreviated Peace Corps stint in Uzbekistan. I didn't teach, but a lot of the people from my group did. I'm not sure what the going salary for native speakers is, but you could live fairly well on a couple hundred bucks a month. Of course, your quality of life will be much, much lower than in Korea.
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Travelingirl68



Joined: 12 May 2005
Location: India...

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Huffdaddy - were you there in 2001, or in 2004/5? I have acquaintances from both of those groups who ended up doing abbreviated stints do to unrest, etc.

Tiger Beer, I may have already replied to this question in the general forums, but I did two years in Peace Corps in Kazakstan, about 3 hours north of Almaty. I loved being there and would do it again in a heart beat for the right compensation. Almaty is an expensive city, and apartment rental costs are skyrocketing for what you get ($1,000 a month for a one bedroom?!)

I would recommend to anyone going to Kazakstan that they study some Russian first, and learn a few Kazak greetings as soon as possible as that will take you a longgg way in building good relations! In other countries, Russian is not taken so well (Uzbekistan for one), but it is still the Lingua Franca of Kazakstan.

Get used to having the KBG tapping your phone lines, your students questioned about your classroom topics, and the occasional person trailing around after you.

As a man in particular, build up a tolerance to cheap vodka, and be prepared to drink at every occasion. (Women too, but the pressure is not as bad.) Also prepare your stomach for the national drink 'kumiz' - fermented mare's milk, not my cup of tea, but beloved as a cure all by the locals. (Kumiz for Kazaks, vodka for Russians)

Be prepared for a certain cold distance on the streets, but VERY warm welcomes into people's homes - lots and lots of 'ghosti', particularly if you live in a smaller city or village area.

I wouldn't trade my time in Kazakstan for anything, the people really are great and there really is something to be said for experiencing the vast, cold, steppe!
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Travelingirl68 wrote:
Hey Huffdaddy - were you there in 2001, or in 2004/5? I have acquaintances from both of those groups who ended up doing abbreviated stints do to unrest, etc.


2005. PM sent.

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Almaty is an expensive city, and apartment rental costs are skyrocketing for what you get ($1,000 a month for a one bedroom?!)


That's nuts. People I knew in Tashkent were paying about $30/month for furnished apartments. They were Uzbek style apartments and obtained through connections, but they were quite nice for the price. The collection of rugs inside was probably worth more than the apartment itself.
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 8:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One question I would have to ask:

When do the schools/institutes do their hiring?
How stringent are the visa regulations?
How common is it to find a well-paying position(at least $1500/month w/accomodations)?....if possible........

I had been to the CIS forum and there a good mixture of people there who either seem to like it or who warn people away from Russia/CIS because of the amount of violent racism that a person might encounter (IE, neo-NAZIs).......is the amount of racism in Russia/CIS equate to the 'quiet' racism found in Korea or in other Asian countries?
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Travelingirl68 wrote:
I would recommend to anyone going to Kazakstan that they study some Russian first, and learn a few Kazak greetings as soon as possible as that will take you a longgg way in building good relations! In other countries, Russian is not taken so well (Uzbekistan for one), but it is still the Lingua Franca of Kazakstan.

Get used to having the KBG tapping your phone lines, your students questioned about your classroom topics, and the occasional person trailing around after you.

Without knowing Russia that well, is that worse than Russia or just status quo of the region in general?

Regarding Kazakhstan, I heard they were thinking of romanizing the alphabet? Is that still on the table?
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Julius



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm intrigued by Mongolia or Kazakhstan.

Not the sorts of places I'd work for a year though!!! Maybe just a holiday..
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Ukon



Joined: 29 Jan 2008

PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lastat06513 wrote:
One question I would have to ask:

When do the schools/institutes do their hiring?
How stringent are the visa regulations?
How common is it to find a well-paying position(at least $1500/month w/accomodations)?....if possible........

I had been to the CIS forum and there a good mixture of people there who either seem to like it or who warn people away from Russia/CIS because of the amount of violent racism that a person might encounter (IE, neo-NAZIs).......is the amount of racism in Russia/CIS equate to the 'quiet' racism found in Korea or in other Asian countries?


There is a thread on the Russian forum on this site about being a minority foreigner in Russia....

I'd like a second opinion becuase it was pretty skewered towards "Expect to be possibly robbed, if not beaten...multiple times..."

Seems like it's getting worse if the news reports are right.....I'm half black and loved to go myself, but don't feel like getting treated like trash....
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lastat06513



Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel that when travelling in Russia, like in Korea, it is good to know someone there who can not only show you safe places and how things are done, but who can introduce you to people you can turn to if a person has some kind of problem.....I always say that networking is a great way to get acquainted to a place.
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Travelingirl68 wrote:
I would recommend to anyone going to Kazakstan that they study some Russian first, and learn a few Kazak greetings as soon as possible as that will take you a longgg way in building good relations! In other countries, Russian is not taken so well (Uzbekistan for one), but it is still the Lingua Franca of Kazakstan.


Actually, it depends on where you are. Around Tashkent, Russian is used more often. In Bukhara and Samarkand, you'll run into more Uzbek as well as some Tajik. Regardless, from my experience, it seems that Russian is the language of cafes and taxi drivers.

Tiger Beer wrote:
Regarding Kazakhstan, I heard they were thinking of romanizing the alphabet? Is that still on the table?


I assume you mean romanizing Kazakh. They're doing the same in Uzbekistan with Uzbek, but you'll still see plenty of Russian. So it's best to learn some Cyrillic before hand.
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*wanderlust*



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lived in Ukraine for a bit in a small town close to Lyviv. I was there doing volunteer work and did some volunteering at the local university tutoring english and teaching conversation classes.

Ukraine is an interesting country, alot of history and culture. I wouldn't expect to make much money teaching there judging by the positions I was offered, however one involved free housing in a huge double story brand new apartment. Cost of living is very low, but be prepared to bribe people if you want anything done. This includes the jobs they are paid to do.

If you have any question about the country feel free to pm.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speaking of cost of living, and just costs of restaurants, hotels, a beer, etc.

What was it for those people who'd been to Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, or Kyrgystan?
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huffdaddy



Joined: 25 Nov 2005

PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 12:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiger Beer wrote:
Speaking of cost of living, and just costs of restaurants, hotels, a beer, etc.

What was it for those people who'd been to Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, or Kyrgystan?


For Uzbekistan, check out this site for some good listings and prices:
http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/5beaa/7ed/0/

From my experience in early 2005:

restaurants

Uzbek cafe ~$1
Foreign restaurant in Tashkent $3-10

booze (market prices)

Uzbek beer $0.30
Russian Baltika $1
vodka (500 ml) $0.50-$2 (I never settled for anything less than a $1 bottle of vodka)
In Uzbek cafes, there isn't much of a markup. If you go to a night club in Tashkent, the markup will be quite a bit. The one place I went to was selling vodka for $8/bottle.

hotels

I'm not too familiar with hotel prices since I stayed with families and had hotels paid for. I know our hotel in Shakrisabz cost about $8/person for double rooms. But we were able to negotiate the locals' price since it was in the middle of winter. During the tourist season, it would probably run about $30/room. You can probably find acceptable lodging for around $20-30/night.

transportation

subway $0.30, IIRC.
Average "taxi" ride in Tashkent (they don't really have many taxis, you usually just flag someone down and make a deal) $1
The taxi from the airport will be a bit more. If you bargain hard, you can probably get it down to a few bucks. Or find a bus outside the terminal area.
Taxi (shared with 3 other people) from Tashkent to Samarkand (about 6 hours) $6-8. Again, that's the locals rate, which might be hard for a tourist to achieve.
Train from Tashkent to Samarkand $5
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Huffdaddy! Very useful.

How about Travelingirl68 with Kazakhstan? Prices there?
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nicholasheltzel



Joined: 04 Sep 2006

PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Kyrgyzstan/Uzbekistan Reply with quote

I lived in Kyrgyzstan for 2 years with the Peace Corps and loved it. The trick is finding a job that will sponsor you for a visa and pay enough to make it worthwhile.

Kyrgyzstan is the cheapest of the Central Asian countries to live in, but prices are on the rise. If you have any questions about it feel free to pm me.

I was just married in Uzbekistan (Samarquand), I only lived there for 3 months so my experience is limited, but I can say for sure that today's prices are much higher than the prices quoted for 2005. Hotel rooms (with water) are all around $50-$100 depending on the season in major cities (Tashkent, Samarquand, Bukhara, Khiva, Urgench, Nukus). My wife tells me that apartment prices skyrocketd over the last 2 years and rent for a small soviet style apartment is around $300/month in Tashkent (if you can find a free place). BUT, getting a work visa for an American/Canadian citizen is next to impossible. I tried and tried, found many schools willing to take me, but none could secure a visa. Kyrgyzstan is a safer bet. Again, pm me with any questions.

Russian works in both Uzbekistan and Samarquand, even in small towns.
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