Korean Job Discussion Forums

[ernie]

so would you consider dave's a 'union' as well? let's shut it down!!!

[truthfulchat]

This organization's topic may be taken off. If you are here to advocate for schools to abide by their contracts and laws, it may be taken off. I did a search of my topic on this and the mods took it off. So as a warning maybe we should just keep the organization activities on email because talking about accountability is a no-no in Dave's ESL. Dave's ESL seems to take off posts that talk about accountability by Korea. I did a search of some other posts not done by me and they were taken off too.

[truthfulchat]

[Poktanju]

[truthfulchat]

Hmmm. I think the moderator is clearly wrong. I am not the one who started the personal attacks. I believe it was other people who did. I started a topic about violations done by schools related to contracts and laws. I did cite the Bill Kapoun incident, which I clearly used information I was getting from that topic about the ESL student in the fire. I did not make anything up about that, it was all information I read in there. Now if the information was incorrect then that is not my fault but the moderators chose not to point out others who said the same information I did on the Bill Kapoun incident. As for personal attacks, what would you call someone who chooses to only respond to one person who is voicing that contracts and laws should not be violated but when others said the same thing, the people refrain from responding to them. I would call that a personal attack. I was just defending myself against people personal attacking me. How about this? One person chose to bring up problems I had in my past unrelated to the topic but oh no that was not personal attack according to the moderators. I know others felt that I was being personally attacked by some posters (the last poster read what CC said and the link he posted to my hi5 page and saw it as a personal attack). What about a personal attack on the evolution topic. I was vulgarly insulted because I criticized evolution and said I was Christian as others were personally attacked, but hey you guys did not think it was a personal attack.

About my so called lies. The Bill Kapoun incident, I only compiled information I read on other topics. CC being a hagwan or private education leader, based on his response to English teachers being consultants when he hired consultants. Now as for calling him gay, I apologized for that reaction, but it was a defense against a personal attack against me. We aren't perfect and sometimes when we defend ourselves we don't always say appropriate things.

I am not paranoid that schools are breaking contracts and laws. This is the truth and others would agree, you even put posts that echoed my points. The topic became a problem not because of me but others who chose to single me out though others were posting the same concerns.

Really get your story straight.

In addition, neither you nor Dave's ESL has control over the association and I really can be helpful since my fiancee works for the government specifically in a division that handles foreign workers problems.

[Captain Corea]

The thread is pulled, so no need (nor ability) to really sift through it. But let's be clear here.

-You starting calling people who questioned your points about the Bill Kapoun tragedy 'ass kissers', when in truth they (myself included) were simply questioning the accuracy of your statements (such as when you said the Government did not give him insurance).

-You've stated numerous times that I am a hogwon owner (or something similar). I believe you got this in your head because I said I've employed F2s, F4s, and F5s. Let me break it down for you...
F2 - married to a Korean
F4 - Overseas Korean
F5 - permanent residence
NONE of them are necessarily tied to the ESL industry. You've decided once again to bring this up into this thread (a thread I've never posted in), so once again, I'm telling you - STFU about things you know nothing about.

-You called me gay.
/shrug
What the heck can I really say about that?

-You think everyone is out to get you.
Your school attacks you.
People in America made fun of you.
Koreans mock you on the street.
Posters 'stalk' you.
People accuse you of being a pedophile.
People ask you not to speak for this cause.

There's a common denominator there for anyone watching.



Seriously though. I think everyone agrees on a few points:
-Schools should abide by contracts.
-There should be regulated penalties if they do not.
-There is accountability on both sides (the school and the teacher).
-Truthfulchat should not be representing anyone but himself in any type of meeting.

[truthfulchat]

[Poktanju]

[truthfulchat]

[Poktanju]

[Captain Corea]

I'll chime in on this thread and my thoughts on a union.

Personally, I don't think it'll fly. Not that it's not needed or deserved, but rather because its got a lot of things going against it.

-The majority of teachers that come here do so for only one year - this limits their commitment.
-The majority of teachers are not connected through anything other than speaking English - getting them all in one 'union hall' would be tough.
-The majority of teachers here do not post online.
-Many teachers would balk at paying union dues.
-Setting up the union and maintaining it as a legal entity would be tough (but not impossible).
-Unions have power because of their workers' ability to mobilize and take action - what action would ESL teachers be able to take in Korea? Can any of you really imagine a massive walk-out?
-Public support would be minimum for a group of foreigners that make (on average) 2.0+ mill a month with free housing).


Basically, I'd much rather see an informed resource portal paid for by donations. Right ow there is Dave's, Galbijim, Expat, EFL law, and a few others, but all too often the net is filled with contradictory answers and half-truths.

If there was one source, heck even a Gov source, that could handle and explain teachers problems, I think there'd be a lot more happy campers here.

[truthfulchat]

Anway,

Back to topic

How many people have joined the organization?

What are some ways we as teachers will take action? Petitions, Email campaigns, other stuff?

Now I suggested involving government officials? Is this a good option?

[Mi Yum mi]

Petitions? Email campaigns...what a joke. You really know nothing about Korea. If Koreans want to seriously protest they set themselves on fire, cut of a body part or something else extreme. The government would laugh at a bunch of emails. When have petitions ever worked?

This isn't America Op. You need to get a clue.

[Mi Yum mi]

[Mi Yum mi]