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igotthisguitar
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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You are keeping records of what I said here two years ago, and still brooding over it?
Ladies and gentlemen: I present to you Nowhere Man: the very face of internet obsession and stalking. |
Oh boo-hoo. I'm being stalked!
Contact a mod if you think I'm doing something wrong, you flagwaving crybaby. |
Yah, he is pretty whiny, eh?
Squeaky wheel ( *squeak, squeak*) 
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:52 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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| Actually, the mods are rather useless on such issues. |
Maybe it's because your extremist portrayal of me as a stalker is more rooted in your own insecurity than fact.
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| In any case, you have discovered a statement I made in 2006, in one conversation, that does not exactly reconcile with a statement I made in 2008, in an entirely different conversation. Congratulations for whatever it means to you. And if you are keeping track of my comments over years, then it apparently means quite a lot. C'est la vie. |
Good point. You're not a flagwaver at all. It was just that one conversation.
It is unfortunate that I can remember what you've said while you can't. Work on that memory. Eliminating all the threads where you contradict yourself might drastically reduce your post count.  |
I think that both these threads prove Mr. Gopher's pont.
Regardless if you don't wish to be called a stalker, dragging out old posts in which you demonstrate such behaviour is probably not the best way to go about it. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:52 am Post subject: ... |
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I think that both these threads prove Mr. Gopher's pont.
Regardless if you don't wish to be called a stalker, dragging out old posts in which you demonstrate such behaviour |
If you think Mr. Gopher's "pont" is proven, then you go contact the mods.
I don't really care what he calls me, or you, for that matter. I wouldn't have much to point out on his threads if he weren't such a rabid hypocrite.
Now, observe your avatar and be quiet. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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I think that both these threads prove Mr. Gopher's pont.
Regardless if you don't wish to be called a stalker, dragging out old posts in which you demonstrate such behavior |
If you think Mr. Gopher's "pont" is proven, then you go contact the mods.
I don't really care what he calls me, or you, for that matter. I wouldn't have much to point out on his threads if he weren't such a rabid hypocrite.
Now, observe your avatar and be quiet. |
That's for Mr. Gopher to do. I was merely commenting on the fact that you seem to follow him around and launch into unprovoked personal attacks as you did in that thread you linked to. And you did that in the tazer threads as well.
As for my avatar your advice is deliciously ironic, since it was mostly inspired by your posts. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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I don't think it's unfair at all to compare views expressed 2 years ago with things being said now. In what way is this "stalking?"
In that thread, Gopher says clearly that he does not agree with W Bush at all, and yet now he to wishes to continue to disagree with his govt ... while siding with them 100%. (It's an election year, you know - this is a time you can CHOOSE what kind of govt you're going to side with or disagree with.)
And he's not a flagwaver, must be true cuz he just said so a couple of days ago - but whoa, semper fi, he's going to vote for a party he's disagreed with for the past 8 years.
I figure Gopher just has a much larger head than the rest of us because he has room to hold so many contradictions simultaneously ...
Or else, he's simply been driven completely mad by an insatiable lust for power. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:08 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it's unfair at all to compare views expressed 2 years ago with things being said now. In what way is this "stalking?"
In that thread, Gopher says clearly that he does not agree with W Bush at all, and yet now he to wishes to continue to disagree with his govt ... while siding with them 100%. (It's an election year, you know - this is a time you can CHOOSE what kind of govt you're going to side with or disagree with.)
And he's not a flagwaver, must be true cuz he just said so a couple of days ago - but whoa, semper fi, he's going to vote for a party he's disagreed with for the past 8 years.
I figure Gopher just has a much larger head than the rest of us because he has room to hold so many contradictions simultaneously ...
Or else, he's simply been driven completely mad by an insatiable lust for power. |
What do they say about people who are able to hold two opposing ideas in their head...? 
I would think that following people around and launching attacks full of cheap rhetoric is a bit different then merely comparing. Read the thread NM linked to. In that thread he came in completely unprovoked and started attacking Mr. Gopher. Not the first time he's done so either. But hey one's man's stalker is another man's friend. So be it. |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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So, just to be clear ... you DO think it's unfair to compare someone's views two years ago with what they said two days ago - right? It's unfair to do that? Really?
Is it unfair to at least ask for an explanation? I'd just like to know. Which one IS it? Is it "I'm not a flagwaver" or is it "I will always protect the President?" And is there a connection to be made anywhere in this about reasons to vote Republican this year? I don't see it, not any of it. It needs an explanation.
So, isn't this a situation that presents The Subterranean Rodent a wonderful opportunity to expand our minds and explain the intricacies of a worldview that says semper fi and I support the govt all the time, yet also claims [b]not[/b] to be a mindless flagwaving tool droning "America-love-or-leave-it" and "My country-is-never-wrong-even-when it IS-wrong" and other catchphrases learnt by heart and never thought clearly through to the ultimate absurdity embedded within?
Yes, the opportuntiy is there to be grasped, but instead Gopher chooses to display his fear that someone will look further into the archives, and instead make his case that he is a victim of "stalking," just because someone decided to use the search function. Get real. I mean, really.
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| In that thread he came in completely unprovoked and started attacking Mr. Gopher. |
Yeah, we all felt real bad about it, too. "Unprovoked" attacks are such a rare occurence around herein the CE forums. 
The Bobster has been attacked on several occasions here and elsewhere. I provoked it every time. Showing people how contradictory their own statements are, as well as how inhuman, insensitive and insensible, and suggesting or even showing with factual evidence when people are simply WRONG - that's provocative, and I deserved the shellacking I got for it every time. Or maybe I was being a pompus ass who acted like he knew more than he reeally did. If so, I deserved it then, too. And I'll deserve it next time, too. And I won't sob in my pillow that someone is "stalking" me.
It's not like it was ever really easy to feel sorry for Goph, over there, but when he stands up and says, please, someone is abusing me, and I don't like it ... sheesh, I mean, gimme a break. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| What do they say about people who are able to hold two opposing ideas in their head...? |
Not just this. These were two different conversations held two years apart. The fact that the ever-prosecutorial Nowhere Man keeps files on what I say is revealing. And Bobster's overflowing self-righteousness, as usual, comes through loud and clear -- as does his chronic oversimplification and outright mischaracterization of my views.
In any case, people approach this or that problem differently, and they say things, especially when separated by years, that do not always fit together neatly -- at least in the mind of simplistic, puristic dogmatists who foam at the mouth whenever W. Bush comes up in conversation. These two remain quite myopic in their outlook. Everything comes down to one or two issues with them: the president who they call antichrist and/or the war that throws them into apoplexy. Add Nowhere Man's pointless calls that we on Dave's ESL Cafe change the world by restructuring Congress. Their preachy, angry positions on this thread (or any other thread, for that matter), are easily predictable.
Lo que sea.
Oh yeah: I will always support the United States govt in conversations where people denounce its motives as purely evil throughout history; and I am no mindless patriotic flagwaver who will vote Republican this election just because Ya-ta Boy's puerile lament says I and others will. These two wild-eyed liberals can bite me if this irritates them because, as it usually is, Urban Myth, too complicated for them -- and they can also continue eating up every word I write here. I love knowing that I penetrate their consciousnesses that deeply. |
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Nowhere Man
Joined: 08 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:10 am Post subject: ... |
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| The fact that the ever-prosecutorial Nowhere Man keeps files on what I say is revealing |
Actually, Dave keeps records on you. Just because you're too slow to grasp the power of the search function is no reason to start waving around your victim card.
And you're going to whine about being prosecuted while you trot around demanding evidence from one poster and psychoanalyzing the next? Pfft.
Bottom line: You can dish it out, but you can't take it.
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| Add Nowhere Man's pointless calls that we on Dave's ESL Cafe change the world by restructuring Congress. |
What? You're keeping files on me! HELP! MOM! I'm being stalked...
*sniff*
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| I am no mindless patriotic flagwaver who will vote Republican this election just because Ya-ta Boy's puerile lament says I and others will. |
Nope, you're going to vote Republican because you failed to clean up the Democrats. Remember back when you were a Democrat and calling the Republicans a bunch of cavemen? Sadly, you deleted your posts from that era. Too bad. They would be, um, revealing. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: ... |
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You are keeping records of what I said here two years ago, and still brooding over it?
Ladies and gentlemen: I present to you Nowhere Man: the very face of internet obsession and stalking. |
Oh boo-hoo. I'm being stalked!
Contact a mod if you think I'm doing something wrong, you flagwaving crybaby. |
Yah, he is pretty whiny, eh?
Squeaky wheel ( *squeak, squeak*) |
Igothisguitar you are like a rolling swastika.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| And, in the final analysis, barring unforseen developments in Washington (military coup, etc.), in world affairs I will always side with the United States government. As we proudly say in the Marine Corps, Semper Fi; we were not chosen to protect the President in Marine One and at Camp David over Army Rangers for nothing. |
If all things are equal assuming the US isn't in the wrong why ought anyone from the US not ?
So Gopher has some general sympathy for the US position in world affairs ( I don't see him as ever trying to hide it) , Oh the horror.
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| These were two different conversations held two years apart. |
The contexts of the statements are not dissimilar, but the views expressed appear to be diametrically opposed to one another. An explanation for the discrepancy seemed in order. You were offered the chance to make one.
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| And Bobster's overflowing self-righteousness, as usual, comes through loud and clear -- as does his chronic oversimplification and outright mischaracterization of my views. |
Um, if you read my post carefully you'll find a sentence where I admit I can be a pompous ass at times - hardly what you'd call self-righteousness, now, wouldn't you say?
I'm sorry if I mischaracterized your views. I can't recall ever reading a post of yours where you admitted the merest possibility that any actions taken by the US govt any time during our lifetimes were in any way incorrect, foolish or the slightest bit naughty. You may have alluded to such a thing somewhere, and I might have missed it. If so, you could accept my apology now, or do me a favor at the same time and point to any such place where you might have done so.
Or, well, I guess you could bite me. Haha, that was a pretty clever for me to say, wasn't it?
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| people approach this or that problem differently, and they say things, especially when separated by years, that do not always fit together neatly |
Okay, then, that clears things up ... you just changed your mind sometime in the last couple of years. That's definitely allowed.
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| Oh yeah: I will always support the United States govt in conversations where people denounce its motives as purely evil throughout history; |
Um, actually, no one did that, neither on this thread, nor one from 2 years ago. One or two people said that all nations act in their self-interest. This would seem to dovetail nicely with the reality-based politics you have discussed, but it seems you found it not to your liking anyway, and started tossing labels about rather than make the coherent argumant that was politely being requested.
Someone disagrees with Gopher, that person hates America. So, it looks like you really ARE a flagwaver. Still. Okay, then.
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| and I am no mindless patriotic flagwaver |
Wait a minute, didn'y you just say you will ALWAYS support ... ah, never mind.
I've edited your post, sure, but let me note that the parts deleted were exactly and only personal insults directed at individuals, not any substantive argument to describe or explain your attitudes - because you didn't offer any such thing, of course - and the only insults tossed in your direction were "crybaby" and "whiner," and the observation that you seem to think it's unfair for people to behave towards you in the same way you behave toward others.
In contrast, the people you don't like are :
stalkers
brooding
obsesseive
bitter
cowards
persecuting
self-righteous
simplistic
liars ("outright mischaracterization")
dogmatic
rabid ("foam at the mouth")
myopic
preachy
angry (really, I'm a mellow dude, peaceful and serene)
predictable
puerile
wild eyed liberals (it's the radicals who are wild-eyed, you know - we liberals are sleepy-eyed because we're bored with hearing the lies of politicians)
and finally
too stupid to understand anything complicated.
(Um, wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you simply decline to explain yourself? On both threads you've been asked to do so, and your response in both cases has been to say that you love America more than other people do. Wow. You sure showed us... )
Busy day for you. All those personal remarks thrown about like confetti amid the appeals for sympathy over being abused so badly, when it might have been easier to simply and clearly explain the distinction between "not a flagwaver" and "I will always defend the United States govt."
Except that maybe the distinction doesn't really exist, eh? Maybe.
Naw. Definitely.
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| So Gopher has some general sympathy for the US position in world affairs ( I don't see him as ever trying to hide it) , Oh the horror. |
Mt Gwa has learned the fine art of sarcasm. Good show, old bean!
Except "general sympathy" is pretty far removed from "I will always defend the US govt," wouldn't you say? I would say. In fact, I'd say it's a very extreme position, almost worshipful and ecstatic, almost like "cuz the Bible tells me so."
And yet, he's NOT a flagwaver. No, sir, he is not. Not that. Not this year, and not two years ago, either. Nope. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| These were two different conversations held two years apart. |
The contexts of the statements are not dissimilar, but the views expressed appear to be diametrically opposed to one another. An explanation for the discrepancy seemed in order. You were offered the chance to make one.
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| And Bobster's overflowing self-righteousness, as usual, comes through loud and clear -- as does his chronic oversimplification and outright mischaracterization of my views. |
Um, if you read my post carefully you'll find a sentence where I admit I can be a pompous ass at times - hardly what you'd call self-righteousness, now, wouldn't you say?
I'm sorry if I mischaracterized your views. I can't recall ever reading a post of yours where you admitted the merest possibility that any actions taken by the US govt any time during our lifetimes were in any way incorrect, foolish or the slightest bit naughty. You may have alluded to such a thing somewhere, and I might have missed it. If so, you could accept my apology now, or do me a favor at the same time and point to any such place where you might have done so.
Or, well, I guess you could bite me. Haha, that was a pretty clever for me to say, wasn't it?
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| people approach this or that problem differently, and they say things, especially when separated by years, that do not always fit together neatly |
Okay, then, that clears things up ... you just changed your mind sometime in the last couple of years. That's definitely allowed.
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| Oh yeah: I will always support the United States govt in conversations where people denounce its motives as purely evil throughout history; |
Um, actually, no one did that, neither on this thread, nor one from 2 years ago. One or two people said that all nations act in their self-interest. This would seem to dovetail nicely with the reality-based politics you have discussed, but it seems you found it not to your liking anyway, and started tossing labels about rather than make the coherent argumant that was politely being requested.
Someone disagrees with Gopher, that person hates America. So, it looks like you really ARE a flagwaver. Still. Okay, then.
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| and I am no mindless patriotic flagwaver |
Wait a minute, didn'y you just say you will ALWAYS support ... ah, never mind.
I've edited your post, sure, but let me note that the parts deleted were exactly and only personal insults directed at individuals, not any substantive argument to describe or explain your attitudes - because you didn't offer any such thing, of course - and the only insults tossed in your direction were "crybaby" and "whiner," and the observation that you seem to think it's unfair for people to behave towards you in the same way you behave toward others.
In contrast, the people you don't like are :
stalkers
brooding
obsesseive
bitter
cowards
persecuting
self-righteous
simplistic
liars ("outright mischaracterization")
dogmatic
rabid ("foam at the mouth")
myopic
preachy
angry (really, I'm a mellow dude, peaceful and serene)
predictable
puerile
wild eyed liberals (it's the radicals who are wild-eyed, you know - we liberals are sleepy-eyed because we're bored with hearing the lies of politicians)
and finally
too stupid to understand anything complicated.
(Um, wouldn't it be more accurate to say that you simply decline to explain yourself? On both threads you've been asked to do so, and your response in both cases has been to say that you love America more than other people do. Wow. You sure showed us... )
Busy day for you. All those personal remarks thrown about like confetti amid the appeals for sympathy over being abused so badly, when it might have been easier to simply and clearly explain the distinction between "not a flagwaver" and "I will always defend the United States govt."
Except that maybe the distinction doesn't really exist, eh? Maybe.
Naw. Definitely.
Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
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| So Gopher has some general sympathy for the US position in world affairs ( I don't see him as ever trying to hide it) , Oh the horror. |
Mt Gwa has learned the fine art of sarcasm. Good show, old bean!
Except "general sympathy" is pretty far removed from "I will always defend the US govt," wouldn't you say? I would say. In fact, I'd say it's a very extreme position, almost worshipful and ecstatic, almost like "cuz the Bible tells me so."
And yet, he's NOT a flagwaver. No, sir, he is not. Not that. Not this year, and not two years ago, either. Nope. |
except we have Gopher more than once being quite critical of US govt policies. Two years of posts will show it.
If Gopher is a flag waver, he is certainly not a FLAG WAVER.
If he is a flag waver he certainly isn't reflexive or mindless about it. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| ...I completely disagree with nearly everything Coulter and Limbaugh and the other right-wing media personalities say. .. |
Well - case closed Gopher has no chance of ever getting the support of the right wing establishment.
Sorry Gopher you are not a true conservative.
Don't even think about running for office in a red state. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| The foaming-at-the-mouth Moron Twins and the drooling-in-a-cup Mental Patient wrote: |
| ...you flagwaving crybaby...rabid hypocrite...ah, he is pretty whiny, eh? Squeaky wheel ( *squeak, squeak*)...Gopher just has a much larger head than the rest of us...Or else, he's simply been driven completely mad by an insatiable lust for power...The Subterranean Rodent...a mindless flagwaving tool droning "America-love-or-leave-it" and "My country-is-never-wrong-even-when it IS-wrong" and other catchphrases learnt by heart and never thought clearly through to the ultimate absurdity embedded within...contradictory...inhuman, insensitive and insensible...simply WRONG...I won't sob in my pillow that someone is "stalking" me....sheesh, I mean, gimme a break...waving around your victim card...whine about being prosecuted...you really ARE a flagwaver. |
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| it seems you...started tossing labels about rather than make the coherent argumant [sic] that was politely being requested. |
This is pretty rich, Bobster. "Politely being requested," huh? ROFL. You and your brother's tactics are transparent: allege and accuse and do your best to draw me out and put me on the defensive so that you might make this about me, personally. You really have little else to discuss. Indeed, you have little else in your bitter intolerant little antiAmerican heads.
But, however that may be, this would be the richest of all...
| The self-righteous, holier-than-thou, narcissistic Bobster, standing on his soapbox, with one hand over his heart and the other extended into the air, but still gazing at his own navel as he preached, wrote: |
| I admit I can be a pompous ass at times - hardly what you'd call self-righteousness, now, wouldn't you say...? |
Yes, in fact, I would say. I would also say "myopic to the point of blindness." Observe...
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| ...and the only insults tossed in your direction were "crybaby" and "whiner." |
Is that so, Mr. Sermon Man? No matter. Just spontaneously and innocently decided to use the search function? Get real, Bobbie. I mean really. Sheesh. Gimmie a break. Cuz, you know. Yeah. Open your eyes, bra. |
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