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Ya-ta Boy
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This is way too centered on morality for my taste. The points of view I had in mind had to do with somewhat more mundane things. |
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Insidejohnmalkovich
Joined: 11 Jan 2008
Location: Pusan
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I have met at least a hundred homeschooled children, teenagers and young adults. I myself went to a public school. The homeschooled have always struck me as more kowledgeable, more aware, more socially adept and saner than hoi polloi. I envy them.
And many homeschoolers are not religious. Many are best described as hippies grown up with children. |
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Funkdafied
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Location: In Da House
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:33 am Post subject: |
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| How many points of view does the Bible offer? Does a truly moral individual--morality always has to think at the individual level--waver between points of view, or welcome differing opinions about how to be moral? |
The bible is not the final word on how to live a moral life, that is for sure.
The only truly moral person is someone who has arrived at thier position through careful introspection and philosophical enquirey. It is impossible, by definition, to be truly moral, if you have simply swallowed someone elses instruction manual on how to be a moral person. |
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greedy_bones
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Location: not quite sure anymore
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:07 am Post subject: |
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However, as every child has a right to a decent education, setting standards for homeschool is only logical. If a child doesn't receive food, shelter, or other necessities from their parents, the government can step in. Why should education be any different? |
Why not give them free crack? Why should they pay for it? Delaware public schools-where drugs were cheaper than beer. |
Crack is illegal and not a necessity. Yes, some public schools are bad. These should be fixed. I don't see how having children taught by unqualified teachers fixes this problem. |
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wannago
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 6:16 am Post subject: |
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| How many points of view does the Bible offer? Does a truly moral individual--morality always has to think at the individual level--waver between points of view, or welcome differing opinions about how to be moral? |
The bible is not the final word on how to live a moral life, that is for sure.
The only truly moral person is someone who has arrived at thier position through careful introspection and philosophical enquirey. |
And that is YOUR opinion on morality and it is not the final word on how to live a moral life or what a moral person is, that is for sure.
What makes your viewpoint any more valid than someone who believes the Bible hook, line and sinker? |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 12:08 pm Post subject: |
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| How many points of view does the Bible offer? Does a truly moral individual--morality always has to think at the individual level--waver between points of view, or welcome differing opinions about how to be moral? |
The bible is not the final word on how to live a moral life, that is for sure.
The only truly moral person is someone who has arrived at thier position through careful introspection and philosophical enquirey. It is impossible, by definition, to be truly moral, if you have simply swallowed someone elses instruction manual on how to be a moral person. |
Can't the Bible be a touchstone for such careful introspection and philosophical inquiry?
You're right, swallowing the Bible whole is not enough. But the Bible has much to offer. With the aid of other works, not just secondary sources on the Bible but even independent literature, cannot the Bible be the book of books for living a moral life? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| cannot the Bible be the book of books for living a moral life? |
I don't think so, if you mean the Bible alone. You have to do too much cherry-picking to end up with it as a moral guide. There's just too much god-justified killing going on. I was always disturbed that David got away with having Bathsheba's husband killed so he could boink her and sire Solomon. I think what the Bible is good for is forcing people to think about what morality really means to them. |
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Biblethumper
Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Location: Busan, Korea
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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1. What is the chief end of man?
Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him forever.
2. What rule hath God given to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy him?
The word of God, contained in the holy scriptures of the old and new testaments, is the only rule to direct us how we may glorify and enjoy him.
3. What do the scriptures principally teach?
The scriptures principally teach what man is to believe concerning God and what duty God requires of man. |
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MissSeoul
Joined: 25 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Fair enough in some ways. Lots of kids might be getting sh.ort-changed by their not-too-bright parents. |
I know one korean woman who homeschooled her 5 children, her husband is an American, what troubled me is she was a highschool graduate from korean school in korea and was never been at any school in America.
They both were born-again Christian. |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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The public school system indoctrinates, stymies truth-seeking, promotes thought-control & exposes children to many unhealthy cultural influences.
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In many, many cases, that is exactly what home schooling does. |
And it's the free right of Americans to pass their beliefs on to their children, so long as it doesn't cause harm to others.
Some might argue that you're just pissed that you can't force your beliefs on them so easily.
I see nothing wrong with homeschooling, provided the children pass a certain test every year or so. Based on the homeschool kids I knew, they would probably be in the 97 percentile. |
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bassexpander
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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The public school system indoctrinates, stymies truth-seeking, promotes thought-control & exposes children to many unhealthy cultural influences.
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In many, many cases, that is exactly what home schooling does. |
And it's the free right of Americans to pass their beliefs on to their children, so long as it doesn't cause harm to others. |
No, but its not. Did you even read the article? |
Pass their beliefs on... did you read my post? |
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wannago
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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ABC News did a story on the California case and claimed that its costs upwards of $10,000 to become an accredited teacher.
Here is a good study conducted by seemingly unbiased researchers:
Home School vs. Traditional School
Just because some of you lefties have trouble understanding someone's religious beliefs, doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to keep teaching their kids at home. |
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Kuros
Joined: 27 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Just because some of you lefties have trouble understanding someone's religious beliefs, doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to keep teaching their kids at home. |
I never argued that.
But there is no Constitutional right for parents to homeschool their children.
If you want to change the law, go ahead. Or, maybe you all can let California run their own state. Its called Federalism. |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Just because some of you lefties have trouble understanding someone's religious beliefs, doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to keep teaching their kids at home. |
I never argued that.
But there is no Constitutional right for parents to homeschool their children.
If you want to change the law, go ahead. Or, maybe you all can let California run their own state. Its called Federalism. |
I wasn't necessarily thinking of you, but if you want to play with the ball....OK.
And there is no Constitutional mandate for forcing children to go to public schools either. Sure, California can run their own state, but they should be ridiculed when their "position" runs counter to research done on the topic. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 9:57 pm Post subject: |
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ABC News did a story on the California case and claimed that its costs upwards of $10,000 to become an accredited teacher.
Here is a good study conducted by seemingly unbiased researchers:
Home School vs. Traditional School
Just because some of you lefties have trouble understanding someone's religious beliefs, doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to keep teaching their kids at home. |
It has nothing to do with left and right, or religious vs. nonreligious. A simple search turns up a lot of atheist homeschoolers. |
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