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OnTheOtherSide

Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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drcrazy wrote: |
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Great thanks a lot
So now this criminal background check is the only thing holding me up. It's too bad they have to have it apostiled, the apostiling takes forever.
Just out of curiousity. If I sent in my criminal background check without the apostile, do you think they would just accept it like that? I assume that they require the apostile but has anyone gotten through without it?
It looks like Korea is realizing the absurdity of what it is doing and working to ease up soon. When you compare what Korea requires compared to almost every other country it is a very striking contrast. And honestly, I doubt all of this is going to help them keep out unsavory teachers anyway. It'll probobly be more likely to keep the quality teachers out. |
If they do not trust that the police check is real and need an apostile, how do they know the apostile is real? Does the apostile need an apostile.
What a bunch af retards. And all a Korean teacher needs to do to teach k-12 is to take an exam. Nothing else is required. If there are 10 openings for teachers in city X and 200 take the exam the top ten scores get the jobs. Their grades, their courses, their experiences do not count. And, not only is there no police check for the Korean k-12 teachers, but they do not even need a reference. All is based on the score of one test. This country is so beeped up.
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Those are my thoughts exactly. This entire business of getting documents apostiled seems pretty pointless. If the Koreans are so concerned about the authenticity of the documents it seems that they could make a simple phone call to confirm it instead of making us go through weeks of waiting. |
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PhD
Joined: 15 May 2007
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Ut videam

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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Nicely done, PhD! I haven't been able to deep-link to that site. I've cited it before, but always have to post the instructions to get there from the homepage. Thanks! |
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truthfulchat
Joined: 30 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: New E-2 Guidelines???? |
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purple crayon wrote: |
Me and the bf are coming back to Korea in Jan 08 and we have been informed that there are new E-2 visa guidelines... they are pretty intense here they are:
Dear Teachers and Schools,
In accordance with new Government immigration regulations and to qualify for a teaching visa in South Korea, it is now necessary to prepare and complete the following (if applying for the E2 visa AFTER Decmber 1st):
- Original diploma notarized at your local Government office (please see Apostile attachments)
- Sealed University transcripts
- 4 Passport Pics
- Photocopy of the picture page of your passport
- Medical report form (please see attachment)
- Police clearance form from your local police station
All applicants must also undergo an interview at the South Korean Embassy of their home country. ( This interview is in person they tell me--pretty funny how the closest to my house is eight hours away)
These additional regulations come into effect as of December 1st, 2007.
any one else hear anything about this????? |
Does this have any affect for teachers who are rehired at their school or teachers who are hired at another school but served a year already? |
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PhD
Joined: 15 May 2007
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traxxe

Joined: 21 Feb 2007
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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So March 15th is here and gone...
So now everyone regardless of renewal at the same school or transfer will need the apostilled CRC, degree, and Medical?
I wonder if the numbers of renewals/changing job applicants will have dropped internally within the country significantly from this point on. |
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I-am-me

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Hermit Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Have immigration policies changed? Another poster stated that if you re-sign you do not need the CRC and forced HIV checks.  |
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I-am-me

Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Location: Hermit Kingdom
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:38 am Post subject: |
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Have immigration policies changed? Another poster stated that if you re-sign you do not need the CRC and forced HIV checks.  |
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EFLTeacher
Joined: 05 Mar 2008
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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I was in Korea just before the laws changed, but I left. While in the States I changed my residence to another state. I've only been a resident here for about 2 months now. Do you think it matters how long you've been a resident in a state where you get a CRC? Also, can I use the CRC from the FBI instead of the one for my state? The one for the FBI is much cheaper. Possibly that's only for people who are over seas right now. Thanks in advance. |
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Ut videam

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:44 am Post subject: UPDATE: Re-signing public school teachers exempt from CBC |
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Immigration has recently updated their web site with this new information.
Teachers re-signing for the first time at public schools do not need to provide a criminal background check when they extend their stay at Immigration. Also, they do not need a full recruitment health exam, just the HIV and drug tests.
From the Immigration Guide at the HiKorea website:
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Certification of criminal records is exempted for foreign instructors that are extending their stay for the first time, if they have entered or registered as foreigner before the revision of the law made it a requirement. Also, instead of submitting their health examination records, they must submit HIV test results and drug usage test (TBPE test) results. |
http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_en.pt?categoryId=2&parentId=382&catSeq=385&showMenuId=374&visaId=E2
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## Issuance of proof of (lack of) criminal records (the records must be affixed with the relevant nation�s Apostille by their local Korean consulate or their consulates in Korea)
※ Nationals of countries that have not signed the Apostille treaty, (Canada, China, etc) must get their records verified by their local Korean consulate or their consulates in Korea, and those already in Korea who were issued their criminal records from their consulates in Korea have no need for an Apostille
※ Exempt : Native instructors invited by the Ministry of Education |
http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_en.pt?categoryId=2&parentId=391&catSeq=429&showMenuId=376&visaId=E2
Let's be totally clear: this applies ONLY to public school teachers! If you're re-signing on an E-2 at a hagwon, university, corporation, etc., you have to jump through all the hoops. |
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Ut videam

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:47 am Post subject: UPDATE: Applicants in Korea can authenticate CBC at embassy |
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Immigration has updated the E-2 regulations on their website to reflect the fact that applicants already in Korea can get their background checks authenticated with an affidavit/declaration at their embassy INSTEAD OF an apostille.
From the Immigration Guide at the HiKorea web site:
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In case applicant stay in Korea and is sent Criminal Background Check by mail, Or one's entry to Korea is imminent, the document notarized by one's embassy in Korea may be acceptable. |
http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_en.pt?categoryId=2&parentId=382&catSeq=385&showMenuId=374&visaId=E2 |
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PhD
Joined: 15 May 2007
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: UPDATE: Applicants in Korea can authenticate CBC at emba |
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Ut videam wrote: |
Immigration has updated the E-2 regulations on their website to reflect the fact that applicants already in Korea can get their background checks authenticated with an affidavit/declaration at their embassy INSTEAD OF an apostille.
From the Immigration Guide at the HiKorea web site:
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In case applicant stay in Korea and is sent Criminal Background Check by mail, Or one's entry to Korea is imminent, the document notarized by one's embassy in Korea may be acceptable. |
http://www.hikorea.go.kr/pt/InfoDetailR_en.pt?categoryId=2&parentId=382&catSeq=385&showMenuId=374&visaId=E2 |
However most consulates in Korea will NOT notarize a criminal background check, and the Korean immigration knows that. In fact, the American Embassy in Korea has sent out monthly reminders to those registered with them for notices, that they will not authenticate diplomas or criminal background checks. |
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Ut videam

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Try reading what I wrote, PhD.
I didn't say the embassy would authenticate a background check.
I said they would notarize an affidavit that you execute declaring the background check to be authentic.
Immigration will accept such an affidavit, attached to the background check, as suitable authentication.
One example of a successful visa application utilizing this method: http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=115755 |
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PhD
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:07 am Post subject: |
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I did read what you wrote and what you said was:
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Immigration has updated the E-2 regulations on their website to reflect the fact that applicants already in Korea can get their background checks authenticated with an affidavit/declaration at their embassy INSTEAD OF an apostille. |
An affidavit swearing to the authenticity of a document does NOT authenticate the document itself unless the affidavit arises from the issuing agency or from the state department. Thus your improper use of the term 'at' rather than 'by' changed the meaning of that which is posted on the Korean Immigration website.
Therefore you can NOT get your background check authenticated by the consolate. You can only sign an affidavit saying that you believe the background check to be authentic. That is NOT what the Korean website says.
Now, try reading what you wrote:
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From the Immigration Guide at the HiKorea web site: |
And the actual quote from the Immigration Guide at the HiKorea web site:
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In case applicant stay in Korea and is sent Criminal Background Check by mail, Or one's entry to Korea is imminent, the document notarized by one's embassy in Korea may be acceptable. |
Furthermore, The OP in your above cited thread got his visa BEFORE March 15. The rules have since changed and Korean Immigration is very specific that the background check must be "notarized BY one's embassy in Korea".
While an affidavit signed by the applicant may fool some immigration officers, it will NOT fool all of them. |
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Ut videam

Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Location: Pocheon-si, Gyeonggi-do
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Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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I see you're back to your customary modus operandi, PhD: pontificating inaccurately.
1. The rules for new visas were already in effect pre-March 15th. The grace period that expired March 15th only applied to E-2 holders who were extending their stay on their current visa, not obtaining a new visa. The OP cited obtained a new visa. Peruse the post a few more times, as reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit.
2. The Canadian Embassy is telling their citizens to authenticate their background checks by means of a statutory declaration notarized at the embassy (see http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/world/embassies/korea/menu-en.asp, "Korea tightens visa rules for foreign instructors"). The Canadian Embassy, like the U.S. Embassy, will not directly notarize the background checks. But they will notarize the statutory declaration. It was determined by the Canadian Embassy in consultation with Korean Immigration that such a declaration constituted acceptable authentication (see http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?p=1470383). The reason they'll accept the statutory declaration is because it makes the affiant liable under perjury statutes of their home country if the check was falsified.
The equivalent of a statutory declaration under U.S. law is an affidavit. Swearing a false affidavit would make one liable to prosecution for perjury under U.S. law. Thus, the effect is the same as the Canadian statutory declaration, which has been deemed acceptable by KImmi to authenticate the background check.
It's not a matter of fooling immigration officers, you supercilious twit. It's a matter of getting the embassy to notarize something that Immi will accept as suitable authentication. I've amply demonstrated the fact that a statutory declaration/affidavit succeeds on both counts. |
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