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Arthur Fonzerelli
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:30 am Post subject: |
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Speaking to an ajumma like you would speak to a kid makes one look a bit uneducated...the best way to get your point across in a case like that is by being really polite and very direct at the same time. If an ajumma came over to help me mix my bibimbap I might hand her the spoon, open my mouth and ask if she'd like to feed me as well (all in polite Korean). That's my own sense of humour though.
I see you have a bit of a mean streak in you, Corporal.  |
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Arthur Fonzerelli
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
Speaking to an ajumma like you would speak to a kid makes one look a bit uneducated...the best way to get your point across in a case like that is by being really polite and very direct at the same time. If an ajumma came over to help me mix my bibimbap I might hand her the spoon, open my mouth and ask if she'd like to feed me as well (all in polite Korean). That's my own sense of humour though.
I see you have a bit of a mean streak in you, Corporal. |
bro...you have no understanding of korean culture do you? if an ajumma came over and mixed your bowl for you she is non-verbally putting you in your place as the foreigner... she would never do that to a korean... if you had the 'noonchi' to see what she was doing, you would get upset... if you accept her patronizing mixing of your bowl, in essence you are accepting her mockery of you... |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| Arthur Fonzerelli wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
Speaking to an ajumma like you would speak to a kid makes one look a bit uneducated...the best way to get your point across in a case like that is by being really polite and very direct at the same time. If an ajumma came over to help me mix my bibimbap I might hand her the spoon, open my mouth and ask if she'd like to feed me as well (all in polite Korean). That's my own sense of humour though.
I see you have a bit of a mean streak in you, Corporal. |
bro...you have no understanding of korean culture do you? if an ajumma came over and mixed your bowl for you she is non-verbally putting you in your place as the foreigner... she would never do that to a korean... if you had the 'noonchi' to see what she was doing, you would get upset... if you accept her patronizing mixing of your bowl, in essence you are accepting her mockery of you... |
EXACTLY...
Finally someone gets it.
(Moreover, most people think it's damn cute when I speak to them in panmal, and no one's ever gotten offended, despite you newbies running around cautioning everyone "stick a YO on the end of your sentence!"  In my more than two years here I've found that Koreans are more likely to be surprised and pleased by the fact that you can speak ANY form of their language, so that they are not going to come down heavy-handed on you for not using the "proper" honorifics.) |
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Drakoi
Joined: 26 Sep 2003
Location: The World
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:06 am Post subject: |
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| In my more than two years here I've found that Koreans are more likely to be surprised and pleased by the fact that you can speak ANY form of their language, so that they are not going to come down heavy-handed on you for not using the "proper" honorifics.) |
the luxury of being white skinned? If I talked like that, she might just turn the food over in my lap. |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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Exactly.
It helps that I have a Korean husband. Why don't you get one? Worked for me.  |
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Bulsajo
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| Arthur Fonzerelli wrote: |
| bro...you have no understanding of korean culture do you? if an ajumma came over and mixed your bowl for you she is non-verbally putting you in your place as the foreigner... she would never do that to a korean... if you had the 'noonchi' to see what she was doing, you would get upset... if you accept her patronizing mixing of your bowl, in essence you are accepting her mockery of you... |
This utterly dismisses the possibility that the ajumma in question's motives may be to help where she feels help is needed, much like she would if she saw a kid having trouble with something. No one is saying you have to 'accept the patronizing mixing of your bowl' you just don't need to be rude about it. Tj gave suggestions on how to be more polite in such a situation, and this was responded to with a disparaging and rude remark following by 'grammar-policing'.
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| It helps that I have a Korean husband. |
I'll see your husband of 2 years and raise you my wife who I've been with for 7 |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Tj gave suggestions on how to be more polite in such a situation, and this was responded to with a disparaging and rude remark following by 'grammar-policing'. |
Are you his big brother? Maybe you should go back and read the thread again. A poster asked if there were ways to tell the ajuma to stop bugging him. He didn't specify whether he wanted the honorific form. I supplied some suggestions (not intended to be written down and forever remembered as the epitome of hangukmal. ) t.j. then told me I shouldn't be teaching other people Korean when I couldn't speak it myself. Which seems rather "disparaging and rude" to me.
(edited because I mistakenly wrote "English" instead of "Korean")
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| It helps that I have a Korean husband. |
I'll see your husband of 2 years and raise you my wife who I've been with for 7 |
Being obxnoxious on purpose today, are we? Let me clarify: I meant it helps that I have a Korean husband because, should I unintentionally offend a noble adjossi with my imperfect Korean speech, my husband can make then excuses for me like "she hasn't been here very long" or "we only speak it like this at home". It has nothing to do with who's been here the longest. I fail to see how long you've been married has anything to do with anything. |
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Bulsajo
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| Let me clarify: I meant it helps that I have a Korean husband because, should I unintentionally offend a noble adjossi with my imperfect Korean speech, my husband can make then excuses for me like "she hasn't been here very long" or "we only speak it like this at home". |
Okay, fair enough- I had (wrongly) assumed you were off on one of your credential/seniority jags.
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| Are you his big brother? Maybe you should go back and read the thread again. A poster asked if there were ways to tell the ajuma to stop bugging him. He didn't specify whether he wanted the honorific form. I supplied some suggestions (not intended to be written down and forever remembered as the epitome of hangukmal. ) t.j. then told me I shouldn't be teaching other people English when I couldn't speak it myself. Which seems rather "disparaging and rude" to me. |
Well I'd say we all have mud on us now, which doesn't make you any less wrong- it just makes the rest of us less right. EDIT: Unless of course you're being less than 'candid' with the facts (see below). |
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t.j
Joined: 28 Feb 2003
Location: at home in bongcheon...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:35 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Corporal"]
| Arthur Fonzerelli wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
Speaking to an ajumma like you would speak to a kid makes one look a bit uneducated...the best way to get your point across in a case like that is by being really polite and very direct at the same time. If an ajumma came over to help me mix my bibimbap I might hand her the spoon, open my mouth and ask if she'd like to feed me as well (all in polite Korean). That's my own sense of humour though.
I see you have a bit of a mean streak in you,
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(Moreover, most people think it's damn cute when I speak to them in panmal, and no one's ever gotten offended, despite you newbies running around cautioning everyone "stick a YO on the end of your sentence!" In my more than two years here I've found that Koreans are more likely to be surprised and pleased by the fact that you can speak ANY form of their language, so that they are not going to come down heavy-handed on you for not using the "proper" honorifics.) |
So what you are saying corporal is that it is OK to be rude if you are a foreigner because koreans should be honored by the fact that you learned some of their language. Sure it does make them happy if you try to speak to them in Korean and even if you do use low form. However, if you know that you are being rude and condescending that makes you ignorant. I also have a Korean husband. He would be ashamed to hear me speak to somebody in such a rude way when I know perfectly well how to use the polite form. You must have a very special husband that doesn't mind defending your rude behavior all the time. I am sure that your parents in law don't appreciate your rude launguage use either. Maybe you don't care what they think. In that case I feel even sorrier for your husband. 
I stand by my comment that if you don't know how to speak the language well enough to use the polite form, that you should not teach others how to use it. You are right he didn't specify that he wanted the polite form but that is probably because he doesn't know that there are different forms hence asking for advice on what to say. I am sorry if you took offense to my comment in the first place but that is the truth . I suppose it stings for you to hear that you are wrong! Life is tough, then you die.  |
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t.j
Joined: 28 Feb 2003
Location: at home in bongcheon...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Bulsajo wrote: |
| Tj gave suggestions on how to be more polite in such a situation, and this was responded to with a disparaging and rude remark following by 'grammar-policing'. |
Are you his big brother? Maybe you should go back and read the thread again. A poster asked if there were ways to tell the ajuma to stop bugging him. He didn't specify whether he wanted the honorific form. I supplied some suggestions (not intended to be written down and forever remembered as the epitome of hangukmal. ) t.j. then told me I shouldn't be teaching other people English when I couldn't speak it myself. Which seems rather "disparaging and rude" to me. |
Just to clarify I NEVER said that you shouldn't be teaching English because you couldn't speak it. I said that you shouldn't teach other people Korean when you couldn't use the polite form. Why should you teach that guy to be insulting when he goes into a restaurant. You told me that I couldn't speak English because I made one spelling error. You went so far as to say that I am an insecure Korean man. So nice try to defend yourself but not quite enough as other people can just look back and read your previous messages. |
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Corporal
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| I also have a Korean husband. He would be ashamed to hear me speak to somebody in such a rude way when I know perfectly well how to use the polite form. You must have a very special husband that doesn't mind defending your rude behavior all the time. |
It's called "love", my dear.
Sorry that you are not lucky enough to have a husband that not only doesn't mind defending you to others, but actually is proud of his wife no matter what she does. That is sad. 
I guess I am luckier than I thought!
*runs off to give her husband a kiss* |
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t.j
Joined: 28 Feb 2003
Location: at home in bongcheon...
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Corporal wrote: |
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| I also have a Korean husband. He would be ashamed to hear me speak to somebody in such a rude way when I know perfectly well how to use the polite form. You must have a very special husband that doesn't mind defending your rude behavior all the time. |
It's called "love", my dear.
Sorry that you are not lucky enough to have a husband that not only doesn't mind defending you to others, but actually is proud of his wife no matter what she does. That is sad.
I guess I am luckier than I thought! |
Wow your husband doesn't mind defending your ignorance. Good for you. You are lucky but you are also a rude and ignorant person just the same. My husband loves that i make him proud and learned how to be polite and well mannered when i speak, in either language.
So congratulations on finding a person who can tolerate your rudeness. I however, am not one of them and I am sure that I am not alone in thinking that way.
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Mr. Pink
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:30 pm Post subject: |
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| t.j wrote: |
| Corporal wrote: |
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| I also have a Korean husband. He would be ashamed to hear me speak to somebody in such a rude way when I know perfectly well how to use the polite form. You must have a very special husband that doesn't mind defending your rude behavior all the time. |
It's called "love", my dear.
Sorry that you are not lucky enough to have a husband that not only doesn't mind defending you to others, but actually is proud of his wife no matter what she does. That is sad.
I guess I am luckier than I thought! |
Wow your husband doesn't mind defending your ignorance. Good for you. You are lucky but you are also a rude and ignorant person just the same. My husband loves that i make him proud and learned how to be polite and well mannered when i speak, in either language.
So congratulations on finding a person who can tolerate your rudeness. I however, am not one of them and I am sure that I am not alone in thinking that way.
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I have guessed by now t.j. is a Korean. The only thing worse then the Koreans that are talked about everyday on this forum are the ones who come here trying to defend their culture.
Anyone else smell that? *sniffs* YUP smells like TROLL! |
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