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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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bjonothan wrote: |
Let me give you some advice..........
Compared to anywhere in Australia....
You are probably going to get worried.........
I am from Tasmania, but I have driven in all the major cities in Aus. and they don't even come close to Korea. If I were you, I would think about flying or getting a taxi. Koreans are the worst drivers and you are bound to have a problem after driving anywhere in Aus. I was a part-time taxi driver in a couple of cities in Aus. (Brisbane and in Tas.) and I get worried every time I am in a taxi here because they can't drive for *beep* and about 90% couldn't even pass a P plate test. Please don't drive!!!!! |
Well Australia has what? That same total population as Kangnam Gu in Seoul? Pretty much like comparing apples and oranges. I come from Toronto, population is about the same as New Zealand, but the amount of traffic going through the city makes it have one of the busiest highways in North America. (I read #2 after LA). I wonder what you would think of North American traffic...it all depends on WHERE you are driving.
If the OP is going to be in Seoul, I would say think twice. If you are going to be in the boonies, or a smaller city, it is very possible to drive and not go crazy.
The best place to drive in Korea is Cheju Do. Population is less than 500,000, the island is big, with new big roads. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99

Joined: 05 Jul 2003 Location: ...Enlightenment...
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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I live in Seoul and i would never drive here. I value my health and I also don't want to get ripped off by the cops when I have an accident, as the foreigner is often made to pay. |
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Mr. Pink

Joined: 21 Oct 2003 Location: China
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Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
I live in Seoul and i would never drive here. I value my health and I also don't want to get ripped off by the cops when I have an accident, as the foreigner is often made to pay. |
If you don't drive how would you know?
Small accidents are usually settled between parties before the cops ever show...the big accidents are why people have INSURANCE. |
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just because

Joined: 01 Aug 2003 Location: Changwon - 4964
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:08 am Post subject: |
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This would be one of the only countries in the world where you DON'T need a car. The public transportation system is great, you can go anywhere and taxis are SOOO cheap and plentiful. It is the complete opposite to Australia. Koreans have a car more for prestige than practicality. I've lived here for nearly 2 years and I won't buy a car in the near future. Too many already and the traffic jams are a nightmare. Why would you want to add more stress to your life here??? |
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dutchman

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: My backyard
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 3:43 am Post subject: |
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kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
I live in Seoul and i would never drive here. I value my health and I also don't want to get ripped off by the cops when I have an accident, as the foreigner is often made to pay. |
Care to give some anecdotal evidence for this statement?? |
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Ryst Helmut

Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 4:15 am Post subject: |
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dutchman wrote: |
kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
I live in Seoul and i would never drive here. I value my health and I also don't want to get ripped off by the cops when I have an accident, as the foreigner is often made to pay. |
Care to give some anecdotal evidence for this statement?? |
Never fear, Ryst is here!
Had a MINI fender-bender (that was actually my door) that was most assuredly the other's fault (I was just chillin'). Cops were already there, and though did not see it, evidence was bountiful showing that I was not at fault.
They (the police) kept saying that if the other driver and I couldn't come to an agreement, then we'd have to go to the station, and insinuated that I'd end up paying anyways (yes, I know for fact they were saying this, as my wife was with me).
Yeah, whatever....
Shoosh,
Ryst |
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dutchman

Joined: 23 Jan 2003 Location: My backyard
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2003 5:30 am Post subject: |
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Ryst Helmut wrote: |
dutchman wrote: |
kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
I live in Seoul and i would never drive here. I value my health and I also don't want to get ripped off by the cops when I have an accident, as the foreigner is often made to pay. |
Care to give some anecdotal evidence for this statement?? |
Never fear, Ryst is here!
Had a MINI fender-bender (that was actually my door) that was most assuredly the other's fault (I was just chillin'). Cops were already there, and though did not see it, evidence was bountiful showing that I was not at fault.
They (the police) kept saying that if the other driver and I couldn't come to an agreement, then we'd have to go to the station, and insinuated that I'd end up paying anyways (yes, I know for fact they were saying this, as my wife was with me).
Yeah, whatever....
Shoosh,
Ryst |
I'm pretty sure they would do the same thing whether you were a foreigner or a Korean. Kiwi seems to suggest that the police would treat the foreigner malevolently. |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Location: All over the place
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:37 am Post subject: |
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Just for the record......
Australia has about 20 mill.
More than any suburb in Seoul.....
Actually about the same as the greater city of Seoul....
And you should read things a bit better before you shoot your mouth off Mr. P! |
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Ryst Helmut

Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:45 am Post subject: |
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bjonothan wrote: |
Just for the record......
Australia has about 20 mill.
More than any suburb in Seoul.....
Actually about the same as the greater city of Seoul....
And you should read things a bit better before you shoot your mouth off Mr. P! |
Ok, I think that what Mr. Pink was going for (or should have) was PPSM (people per square mile). All my books are packed away, so I can't pull out the Almanac right now, but if I recall correctly, South Korea (on the whole) was something like 1,200 people per square mile, whereas Australia would be ____. (?)
I mean, the last place I lived prior to coming to Korea was Florida, USA....and the pop. density is something like 140 people psm.....yeah.
Those are apples and oranges in my book....
Shoosh,
Ryst |
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bjonothan
Joined: 29 Apr 2003 Location: All over the place
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 7:54 am Post subject: |
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How do you interpret total population to ppsm???
For the record.....that would mean Melbourne and Sydney would have more people than Toronto as well...... |
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Ryst Helmut

Joined: 26 Apr 2003 Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2003 8:14 am Post subject: |
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bjonothan wrote: |
How do you interpret total population to ppsm???
For the record.....that would mean Melbourne and Sydney would have more people than Toronto as well...... |
As I understand it, it goes by whichever demarcation <line> the *fact* chooses to convey......that is, country, province, city, township, me cheeks.
So Seoul's ppsm is higher than that of Korea, whereas Tang-jeong is lower than that of Korea.
Shoosh,
Ryst
Oh, and we musn't dwell on people numbers too much, as other factors (such as adherence to law, #of people with cars, and quality of roads and flow mechanics) are sometimes more important. |
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coolsage
Joined: 28 Jan 2003 Location: The overcast afternoon of the soul
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Posted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:42 am Post subject: |
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If you can come to terms with a place where people drive on the sidewalks and walk on the roads, where the the yellow lines and the red stoplights are only suggestions, not actually enforced traffic rules, if you understand that pedestrians have no rights at all, then you're welcome to it . Personally, I prefer to put my fate in the hands of of a taxi driver: these guys are the survivors of the motoring world in this land, and it's a cheap ride. Buckle up, and pray to your god, if you have one. All this prosperity has come at the expense of civility: a lot of bozos, not all, with their unknowing hands on big machines. I suppose that I'd have a more neutral view had I not been nearly crunched recently by some primate in a Bongo truck who turned the corner so tight that I had to throw myself against the fence to save my life. His response? Nada. He simply drove on, as obtuse as only Korean motorists can be, while I was picking leaves out of my clothes. |
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mithridates

Joined: 03 Mar 2003 Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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Posted: Wed Nov 26, 2003 5:31 am Post subject: |
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I think Australia's is about 5, Canada's in 7, and Korea is somewhere around 300-something ppsm. However(as one Canadian historian put it), Canada is a long thin country like Chile that stretches up a few hundred miles north of the American border, and the rest is populated by northern workers, natives, and a few scientists and military people. Australia's mostly desert and similar to Canada in that way (not the amount of desert, the way people crowd into one area in spite of the size of their country).
Back to driving; I think you're damned either way if you live in Seoul. Taking the #2 line is just about as bad as sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic. Taking a car is more convenient but it's often slower than the subway which defeats the purpose. If you're in the country, by all means get a car. |
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happeningthang

Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2003 8:17 am Post subject: |
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bjonothan reckons....
"]Let me give you some advice..........
Compared to anywhere in Australia....
You are probably going to get worried.........
I am from Tasmania, but I have driven in all the major cities in Aus. and they don't even come close to Korea. If I were you, I would think about flying or getting a taxi. Koreans are the worst drivers and you are bound to have a problem after driving anywhere in Aus. I was a part-time taxi driver in a couple of cities in Aus. (Brisbane and in Tas.) and I get worried every time I am in a taxi here because they can't drive for *beep* and about 90% couldn't even pass a P plate test. Please don't drive!!!!!"
Wow!! so that's a no then? Yeah I hear you mate, I have no doubt that Korean driving is very different to Australian. Here at home there is a standard of care. We brake for pedestrians, and stop for people who cut us off rather than swerving onto footpaths to carry on our merry way. From everything you guys have posted it sounds like it's every wo/man for themselves....
Cool. Not a problem, as long as it's someone else's car, I'm insured to the hilt, and no-one gets hurt. I'm not looking for trouble, but I'm not too fussed if I come across it, I'll be well prepared thanks to the advice you've all given.
But in any case it's all moot. I have to get to Donghae the same night I fly in (sigh) so it's the non-stop bus for me! But I'll be out in the sticks (I think) so I might see if I can get some wheels to escape the grind, and tour around aimlessly on the weekends.
Thanks for all the help people!
Cheers |
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