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Obama's speech on Wright, race, etc.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:33 am    Post subject: Obama's speech on Wright, race, etc. Reply with quote

So, what did you think?

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Nowhere Man



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:43 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

Link?
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blaseblasphemener



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Location: There's a voice, keeps on calling me, down the road, that's where I'll always be

PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I lost interest/got burnt out on obamahilary about a month ago. They are the new Benifer.
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mithridates



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:51 am    Post subject: Re: ... Reply with quote

Nowhere Man wrote:
Link?


http://www.nytimes.com/


And this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWe7wTVbLUU
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On the other hand



Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue

PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought it was a great speech, in oratorical terms. I am not a big supporter of Israel, so I did not much care for his brief pandering to the Israeli lobby(and no, I don't want to have a debate on this).

Overall though, if you like politics as entertainment(as I do), Obama is far and away the best show in town. The guy is truly a master. But we'll have to wait and see what the polls say about the public response. CBC interviewed a PoliSci prof from Temple who was enthusiastically pro-Obama, but one of the things he pointed out was that, unlike Hillary, the Republicans will be playing serious hardball in the presidential vote.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It was long. Yeah, it was good, Obama is a solid speech-giver. I like how he turned the emphasis from race to something that matters: healthcare, Iraq, etc.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barack Obama wrote:
...time for America to "move beyond some of our old racial wounds."


His stock goes up with this. He, better than any other candidate, might now be motivated to actually put this into practice as president. And as an African-American president, he would be doing it with solid credentials. Like Nixon's secret trip to China...

On the other hand wrote:
...the Republicans will be playing serious hardball in the presidential vote.


So will the Democrats, On the Other Hand. It usually takes two to tango.
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W.T.Carl



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He's dead meat. He slouches through the national anthem. Strike one. His wife's comment about having pride in your country for the first time. Strike two. This business with his racist Rev. Strike THREE. Your out! And even more damaging to Ol' Barak is the reaction of the congregation- cheering that bozo on. Can you say Mc Govern? We haven't even touched Billy Ayers.
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Gopher



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

W.T.Carl wrote:
He slouches through the national anthem. Strike one. His wife's comment about having pride in your country for the first time. Strike two. This business with his racist Rev. Strike THREE. Your out!


If I were directing McCain's campaign and I were running against Obama, these are exactly the points I would emphasize in campaign ads and debate -- in addition to Obama's wanting for significant experience in national politics.

The question is whether Obama's campaign can sustain this and still attract the independent and Republican voters it needs to attract by November.
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yawarakaijin



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite a good speech I thought. I get the impression from him that he actually believes what he is saying. The fact that his racial background is quite mixed is another good thing in my opinion. I like the fact that he didn't back down completely when it came to the suppourt of his pastor.

The man has the guts to come out and say that (forgive the pun) things are not always black and white. It's a risky tactic as most americans tend to see things as black or white, especially when it comes to politics. For this, I will give him some credit.

Have any of you ever returned home to your town in the US or Canada or Australia and just been appalled by some of the views your friends have? You feel it instinctively that simply by travelling to and living in another country you have changed. I would feel more comfortable with a president/prime minister who had travelled extensively than one who had not. If I were an American I would have more faith in a man like Obama to heal the racial divide than a man like McCain or a woman like Clinton.
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anyangoldboy



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought the speech was very good...He stood up for himself and didn't completely distance himself from what he was brought up on...

I would actually vote for him now after that speech...

He spoke very well and made some very very good points...He seems like a stand up guy
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Zolt



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same here, a politician giving direct answers and standing up for his pals even in a controversy is a pretty refreshing change. There was no distancing and no downplaying.
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Tiger Beer



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was wondering what he was going to say for the speech. I watched it in it's relatively short entirity of about 30 minutes last night.

By the way, I've heard Sharpton made much worse racial statements than Rev. Wright.

The speech was pretty incredible though. He addressed an important issue - race in America, and addressed it very well. Many said that many would walk out of the room on such a topic. But it was a forced topic that he had to address at some point, and he pretty much nailed it.

Unfortunately, I'm stuck with FOX NEWS which has brought out every single right-wing nut you can imagine to comment very lengthy air-time with incredibly strong biased right-wing standpoints on this supposedly 'only unbiased news network in the U.S.' according to how they address themselves. Most Americans watch FOX, and few of those FOX viewers will have seen the speech, but will listen to the O'Reily Factor and others go on and on at length, and I expect the same from the many right wing radio talkshows, so sadly I doubt it will help Obama at all.

The speech was solid though, very solid speech that seriously addressed some very tip-toe(ing) topics that most people on TV will never go anywhere near.
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yawarakaijin



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zolt wrote:
Same here, a politician giving direct answers and standing up for his pals even in a controversy is a pretty refreshing change. There was no distancing and no downplaying.


Seconded. I was all ready to read a speech where he was going to basically disown this guy, that would have been the poliitcally expedient course of action. I've heard my own father say stuff that made my stomach wrench, he is still my father. I think most Americans can understand that. It's refreshing to hear a politican speak that actually forces the people to think beyond 5 second sound bites. It may well ultimately backfire on him, I hope not.

I'm looking forward to seeing Obama and McCain head to head.
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spliff



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Obamma who? Laughing
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