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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| how come you never give proper titles to your boring kiwi environmental posts? i guess deep down you realize... |
Well, I think it's a good title and that he's raised a valid question. I guess it's just one more reason to rethink my caffeine habit.  |
A title should give you some remote clue as to what's in the thread. Instead, we get this cheesy bait and switch game where I keep thinking "hmm, an ambiguous title, I wonder what that thread is about," only to find it's another environmental policy thread.
Why don't we just have a sticky called "KiwiDuncan's KiwiSoapBox" for all this stuff. |
I didn't feel baited at all ... and on this site, that's saying something. KiwiDuncan contributes more to these boards than 90 percent of the posters here (not counting all their socks). |
Quantity-wise, perhaps. But thank you, Duncan, for changing the title. I can sleep at night now. |
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idonojacs
Joined: 07 Jun 2007
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OK, let me get this straight: If you order a cup of coffee to go from a restaurant, they charge you extra. But if you press a button on a machine yourself at the restaurant, you can get a cup of coffee in a paper cup for free and take it with you.
And if you put 250 won in a machine on the street (or in a store) you can get a cup of coffee in a paper cup and take it anywhere you want.
Am I missing something?
How does all this help the environment?
Why not just put trash cans on the street so people can throw their stuff away, instead of tossing it on the sidewalk?
While you're at it, why not have recycling trash bins for cans, etc. in public places, like they have in many Western countries? |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:22 am Post subject: |
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OK, let me get this straight: If you order a cup of coffee to go from a restaurant, they charge you extra. But if you press a button on a machine yourself at the restaurant, you can get a cup of coffee in a paper cup for free and take it with you.
And if you put 250 won in a machine on the street (or in a store) you can get a cup of coffee in a paper cup and take it anywhere you want.
Am I missing something?
How does all this help the environment?
Why not just put trash cans on the street so people can throw their stuff away, instead of tossing it on the sidewalk?
While you're at it, why not have recycling trash bins for cans, etc. in public places, like they have in many Western countries? |
Because those things fill up in like 20 minutes.
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As for the plastic bag fine, I see that as being about as low as somebody going through trash bags that aren't sorted properly for an address and mailing it in so the person gets a fine. |
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kiwiduncan
Joined: 18 Jun 2007
Location: New Zealand
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:36 am Post subject: |
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OK, let me get this straight: If you order a cup of coffee to go from a restaurant, they charge you extra. But if you press a button on a machine yourself at the restaurant, you can get a cup of coffee in a paper cup for free and take it with you.
And if you put 250 won in a machine on the street (or in a store) you can get a cup of coffee in a paper cup and take it anywhere you want.
Am I missing something?
How does all this help the environment?
Why not just put trash cans on the street so people can throw their stuff away, instead of tossing it on the sidewalk?
While you're at it, why not have recycling trash bins for cans, etc. in public places, like they have in many Western countries? |
The charges are certainly a bit inconsistant and it's true that did not apply to any of the small coffee vending machines and so on. Also, perhaps there are good reasons - besides trying to boost the economy - for charges to be relaxed. Some might argue that it wastes more energy and water to clean mugs rather than just use disposable paper cups, but then we also have to include the energy and resources used in the manufacture, transportation and disposal of the throw-away cups.
I just remember when they introduced the charge around 2003. I think it was one of the more progressive policies they've introduced in recent years and I think it impressed a lot of foreign visitors.
I'm pretty sure all the money collected went towards various green projects, so introducing the charge had the double benefit of reducing waste and increasing green funding. |
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sojukettle
Joined: 23 Aug 2005
Location: Not there, HERE!
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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I didn't even know that here was a surcharge on the takeout cups until reading the article that it was being removed.
But the article I read seemed to say that it was a 'deposit', not a surcharge and the problem was that not enough containers were being returned.
The funds were then used to fund other environmental projects but some businesses were found to be using those funds as simply extra profit for themselves - so the entire system is now revoked.
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