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nicholas_chiasson



Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:55 am    Post subject: What level are your students? Reply with quote

-today my 1st grade high school class hit a new low
-Pointing to male student in a co-ed class
"Is he a boy?"
No answer
"Is HE a boy"
No answer
"IS HEE-HEE a BOY! A BOY OR A GIRL!?
At this point...my co-teacher seeing I was going to eat one of the students alive jumped in and said something in Korean...
Entire class replied
"A boy!"
--What have they been learning in the last 10 years of English class?--I could answer that question in 5 languages...
On another note...what would the level of students be who had trouble with such a question?
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nomad-ish



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: On the bottom of the food chain

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^ i bet 100,000W a few knew the answer, they just didn't want to "stand out" of the group by answering you.
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LostinKSpace



Joined: 17 Feb 2008

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds pretty typical, if you had used male or female well you would still be there now.
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 6th graders who read Steinbeck Shocked
And understand it Shocked
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Hank the Iconoclast



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:39 am    Post subject: Re: What level are your students? Reply with quote

nicholas_chiasson wrote:
-today my 1st grade high school class hit a new low
-Pointing to male student in a co-ed class
"Is he a boy?"
No answer
"Is HE a boy"
No answer
"IS HEE-HEE a BOY! A BOY OR A GIRL!?
At this point...my co-teacher seeing I was going to eat one of the students alive jumped in and said something in Korean...
Entire class replied
"A boy!"
--What have they been learning in the last 10 years of English class?--I could answer that question in 5 languages...
On another note...what would the level of students be who had trouble with such a question?


Sounds like my middle school. I teach these low level second graders and today I taught them the alphabet and phonetics.
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel you. Yesterday, I was explaining a worksheet. It was simple, straightforward stuff, and my previous MS 3rd grade classes had been fine. But this one class just didn't get it. They stared dumbly at me and then at the paper, then at each other in confusion. They've taken English for how long and they don't understand the phrases, "Write the number", "What is next?" and "Work with a friend"? The co-teachers always jump in and explain everything. The K teachers baby these students way, way too much.
It's like when I ask if they have any questions at the end of each section. They stare. Then the K teacher asks if they have any questions in Korean. Then they all go, "Aaaaahhhh...." They don't even know the word "question"?? Gaaaah!!!
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Hank the Iconoclast



Joined: 08 Oct 2007
Location: Busan

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ardis wrote:
I feel you. Yesterday, I was explaining a worksheet. It was simple, straightforward stuff, and my previous MS 3rd grade classes had been fine. But this one class just didn't get it. They stared dumbly at me and then at the paper, then at each other in confusion. They've taken English for how long and they don't understand the phrases, "Write the number", "What is next?" and "Work with a friend"? The co-teachers always jump in and explain everything. The K teachers baby these students way, way too much.
It's like when I ask if they have any questions at the end of each section. They stare. Then the K teacher asks if they have any questions in Korean. Then they all go, "Aaaaahhhh...." They don't even know the word "question"?? Gaaaah!!!


They will never learn the words because if they don't understand, they just look at the Korean teacher. It's very frustrating. I try my best to make them understand in English but when their level is so low, it's hopeless.

The biggest problem is trying to explain a game, sometimes it is downright impossible to do so without Korean. They don't know the basic phrases because they just memorize dialogues from the book. It bothers me when I say, "What's up?" and my students have no idea of what I am talking about. I am trying to fix that problem by making my students answer creatively instead of just copying what their neighbor says. It seems that teachers here don't encourage creativity in the least bit.
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ardis



Joined: 20 Apr 2006
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hank the Iconoclast wrote:
ardis wrote:
I feel you. Yesterday, I was explaining a worksheet. It was simple, straightforward stuff, and my previous MS 3rd grade classes had been fine. But this one class just didn't get it. They stared dumbly at me and then at the paper, then at each other in confusion. They've taken English for how long and they don't understand the phrases, "Write the number", "What is next?" and "Work with a friend"? The co-teachers always jump in and explain everything. The K teachers baby these students way, way too much.
It's like when I ask if they have any questions at the end of each section. They stare. Then the K teacher asks if they have any questions in Korean. Then they all go, "Aaaaahhhh...." They don't even know the word "question"?? Gaaaah!!!


They will never learn the words because if they don't understand, they just look at the Korean teacher. It's very frustrating. I try my best to make them understand in English but when their level is so low, it's hopeless.

The biggest problem is trying to explain a game, sometimes it is downright impossible to do so without Korean. They don't know the basic phrases because they just memorize dialogues from the book. It bothers me when I say, "What's up?" and my students have no idea of what I am talking about. I am trying to fix that problem by making my students answer creatively instead of just copying what their neighbor says. It seems that teachers here don't encourage creativity in the least bit.


Yes, yes, yes. What's the use of my students being able to spew back a telephone conversation (an unrealistic one, at that) when they can't even answer a simple "how are you today?" I agree that a lot of Korean teachers don't encourage creativity, but I do have one awesome co-teacher that is all for thinking outside the box.
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Yu_Bum_suk



Joined: 25 Dec 2004

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not lying when I say my students range from genius to retard. Today I was teaching my new grade one HS vocational class. I was going over the simple past, present, and future of 'to be'. After reviewing conjugations I gave them:

Complete the following:

1. In the future, I __________ older.
2. Most of my classmates _____ 18 years old.
3. Yesterday my teacher _______ happy because we studied hard.
4. Next year we ___________ in grade 2.
5. You _______ always so kind.
6. I like X-men. They ______ so funny.
7. When we were 10 years old, we _________ in elementary school.
8. _______ you happy last Christmas?
9. Right now, we _______ all together in our classroom.
10. Next year, a Korean ___________ in outer space.


At least half of them had no clue whatsoever even though I had gone over every conjugation, written them on the board, given them a sheet of past, preent, and future conjugations, and done the first few questions with them as a class. They're in their sixth year of studying English at public school.

This morning one of my academic students who graduated in February emailed me asking to correct this:

University is different from high school system. First of all, unlike high school, there are majors in the university. If anyone is interested in literature or language, he or she can major in Korean literature, English literature, Russian literature, or French literature. Also, if anyone is interested in law, he or she can go on to law department. So, students can choose the major according to their interest, and they can concentrate on that subject. Additionally, Unlike high school, students have to make their timetable by themselves in the university. High school students need not make their timetable by themselves. Because, teachers make their timetable instead of them. So, they have to follow teachers' decision. But university students can do by themselves, provided they have to take more than 15units, below 18units. Of course, a unit limit is different every university. To sum up, university gives more freedom to students and equally responsibility.

How do you teach a class that has students like her, who can write better than the Korean English teachers, sitting beside others who have given up years ago? Welcome to the world of English education in Korea.
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KYC



Joined: 11 May 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4th grade Gyeonggi lesson 1 "Nice to meet you"
the CD shows minsu introducing his mother to his teacher, Mrs. Green.

Me: Minsu introduces his mother to Mrs. Green. He said, "mom, this is my teacher, Mrs. Green."
Me: Introduce me to your homeroom teacher
them: "mom, this is my....
Me: MOM? Your mom is here???
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mrsquirrel



Joined: 13 Dec 2006

PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have been having one of those weeks as well.

Had a few plus moments.

I am now having to travel to different classrooms in the school rather than waiting in the EZ.

Twice now a group of students in 2-6 class have tricked me into going into their classroom and setting up. They all had their English books out waiting. Then of course the science teacher comes in and looks as confused as I did.

First time they just grabbed me and dragged me into the room.

2nd time the did a dance = mrsquirrel, mrsquirrel time to teach english. - it had arm movements as well.
Thought that I must have misread my timtetable again and foolishly went in and setup.


Also had a great moment when one of the naughty boys in class tried to insult one of the girls

he stood up and shouted out "Teacher" then pointed at a girl and then shouted " I am gay"

Poor fucker. All the kids looked at him and burst out laughing and start pointing at him calling him gay.

Oh to be a retard.
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