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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| Am I right in saying that gyopos aren't subject to the new regulations as they are given an F series visa? Maybe they need to screen the gyopos who are entering on F series visas. I have seen many really dodgy gyopos working here on an F series visa. It's time to get tough on them too. |
Depends on how you're using the term gyopo. If he's also a Korean citizen, then he needs no visa to be here.
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From the FBI website,
Nam subsequently was arrested in South Korea on March 3, 1999, but released from custody because, at that time, no formal extradition treaty existed between the United States and South Korea.
So why on earth was he arrested in the first place? |
Possibly because the police were just going off an Interpol warrant requested by the US government. |
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agoodmouse
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
Location: Anyang
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Persons of Korean descent don't automatically get an F-visa. It's actually a lot of hassle and paperwork to apply and get an F-visa. He could have been on an E-2 visa. Smart people do the legwork and homework and get their F-visas, though.
That aside, most public schools (i.e. GEPIK, ETIS, SMOE) require background checks in the application process. Hakwons don't require one as there isn't any top-down standardization/organization within them. Frankly, we know hakwons don't care. They should, though. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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| He could have been on an E-2 visa. |
I don't think he was here on any kind of visa whatsoever. He appears to be a Korean citizen (yes, that's possible). Tomorrow's Stars & Stripes has an article about him in which they say he has been using false names for his employment here. I'll post a link to the article when the Stripes archives it online. For now, here is part of the article:
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Police arrested David Nam at a private school where he taught English near Seoul on Tuesday, according to the Gyeonggi Provincial Police Agency.
Nam, 30, fled to South Korea in 1998, two years after he allegedly shot to death a retired police officer in Philadelphia, said Lee Jae-Sul, a senior officer with the agency. |
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| Nam told investigators he has since worked as an English teacher at small private institutes under other false names, Lee said. He has worked at the institute in Gwangju, about 20 miles south of Seoul, for the past two months ago [sic], Lee added. |
So, what about the hagweons that hired him? They obviously didn't check him out or they would've known he isn't who he said he is.
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xtchr
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:08 am Post subject: |
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[quote="CentralCali
Nam, 30, fled to South Korea in 1988, two years after he allegedly shot to death a retired police officer in Philadelphia, said Lee Jae-Sul, a senior officer with the agency.[/quote]
He was eight when he shot a police officer?
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Typo. Fixed. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:26 am Post subject: |
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Could he not have simply come here on, say, a F4 visa and then let it all expire?
I mean, he knew he'd get tagged if he went near the US embassy, perhaps he entered Korea legally, and just... stayed here. |
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agoodmouse
Joined: 20 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 9:04 am Post subject: |
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| As a gyopo he didn't have to go through the same scrutiny that we as "foreign" teachers do. |
(Ttompatz, your post to the other message thread, and the thread itself, was deleted before I finished typing and pushed send. So, I'm tying it to this thread.)
Vis a vis CBCs which is the main preventative measure that would've stopped Nam in his tracks...
Sure. F4 visas have never had the requirement of CBCs, and E-2 visas didn't require background checks as now from absolutely all applicants when Nam was in Korea. The employers -- hakwons and public schools -- are, and were back then, the problem; the former having never themselves put forth a blanket CBC requirement (Immigration changed that recently); the latter having done so off and on, but now does so more substantially. People who today have been turned down for an E2 visa for 'minor' or 'negligible 'offenses could turn around and get an F4 if a parent of his/her had Korean ancestry. This isn't to say Nam may not have been turned away for an F4 if a CBC was required and he was revealed to have a warrant out for his arrest.
But the level of scrutiny for work visa employees and overseas nationals has never been the same. By virtue of visa definitions, different applicants are treated under different rules. It'd be unimaginable for an overseas Korean (gyopo or Korean adoptee) to be denied what is essentially Korean citizenship for the minor -- and some are -- offenses E2 applicants are turned down for. What offense denies a person an E2 doesn't necessarily deny an overseas person of Korean descent an F4. It is agreeable, and should be a requirement, that E-2 and F-4 employees working in education, whether in the private or public sector, submit CBCs and be turned down for the same infractions. However, that's not the way it works in reality because anywhere and everywhere, an overseas worker (E-2) is expected to be Mr. Clean. This isn't the way it should work, but it is the way it works now. |
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Julius
Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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| Had the word 'Cobra' tattooed on his back and 'Nam' on his arm. Also went by the name 'Solid'. |
Thats just silly. 
I did know a gyopo called David Nam quite well last year.
31 years old: check
2nd generation gyopo: check
Someone have a link to a photo please?, before I post any more details.
Just want to be sure its the same one. |
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Julius
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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Now what I want to know is if any local media hyped speculation on his identity, insinuating he was a whitey or blacky.
Of course, if they have, there would be no retraction.
Ah, yes, another Horatio Hornblower story about gyopos. |
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wylies99
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Location: I'm one cool cat!
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| agoodmouse wrote: |
Persons of Korean descent don't automatically get an F-visa. It's actually a lot of hassle and paperwork to apply and get an F-visa. He could have been on an E-2 visa. Smart people do the legwork and homework and get their F-visas, though.
That aside, most public schools (i.e. GEPIK, ETIS, SMOE) require background checks in the application process. Hakwons don't require one as there isn't any top-down standardization/organization within them. Frankly, we know hakwons don't care. They should, though. |
The hagwon industry should be called on the carpet for this one. Don't blame the foreign teachers- put the blame where it belongs. |
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Julius
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| Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| wylies99 wrote: |
The hagwon industry should be called on the carpet for this one. Don't blame the foreign teachers- put the blame where it belongs. |
Agreed- what is needed is not so much a foreign teacher association, but a foreign media watchdog organisation. |
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englishteacher1
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| i'm glad he got caught |
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