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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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No, North America and Western Europe are not utopias, but I don't think it is arrogance to encourage them to have immigration laws similar to other countries like Japan and to encourage more free movement of labor in the ESL market. Anyway, Korea has signed a free trade agreement. They need to have fairer business and labor practices when it comes to
ESL teachers.
I understand some may view it also as cultural imperialism to tell Koreans not to beat their Phillipino factory workers when that happens, but many organizations call on the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait to treat them according to normal international norms. Calling on Koreans to respect contracts in business and with foreign teachers is not imposing a culture. If you write something and give someone your word and you go back on it, then you are lying according to Buddhism, Christianity and most Koreans are one or the other. Even according to their culture, they know these practices are wrong. Koreans don't like to be deceived by other Koreans and nor do we. It may be rather common in the culture, but it doesn't mean Koreans all simply think that's okay. Also, consider the Leftists are often anti-foreign, while the Conservatives are not. That's strange, I know, for some. |
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truthfulchat
Joined: 30 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: One law to mention |
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Social Security and pension funds would not exist if it was not for pressure from foreign governments.
Laws against beating of women and children would not be in effect if it was not pressure from the United Nations and other foreign governments.
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Really? If your argument were that Korea has benefited from interaction with other countries, I would agree, but that isn't your argument. Can you give examples of this foreign pressure? There has certainly been pressure from foreign governments for Korea to change its trade laws, but its internal laws? |
Read this excerpt done by Yale University on child abuse even after a child protection law was started
The South Korean government's response to the UN Study on Violence Against Children provides a good summary of the country's efforts to promote children's rights. This response indicates that the government has not yet adopted a comprehensive policy concerning violence against children, and still allows corporal punishment of children in both the family and school settings.[7] Under the National Human Rights Commission Act, the NHRC has the power to investigate human rights violations and to advise governmental bodies charged with enacting and enforcing statutes related to human rights.[8] Human rights advocates and practitioners should work with the NHRC to improve South Korea's implementation of Article 12 of the CRC.
Between 1991 and 2002, the South Korean government took commendable steps to formally recognize the societal problem of child abuse. However, the NGO Supplemental Report to the Republic of Korea's Second Periodic Report revealed that as of June 2002, the government had not fully implemented Article 12 of the CRC. According to the Report, �traditional thought and stereotypes in Korea remains unchanged to the effect that �children must be subject to adults,� and �[a] deeply-rooted sense of authority and seniority prevail over society, discouraging children from expressing their views and being involved in decision-making processes.�[4] The Report also points out that despite Article 6 of the Constitution, �[i]nternational human rights law, including the CRC, has a lower standing in Korea compared to domestic laws� because the government adheres to the rule lex specialis derogat lege generali, or �rule of special law abrogates the general law,� when international legal obligations conflict with domestic law.[5] Moreover, the Report notes that �the judiciary has been pretty reluctant not only in making international human rights instruments directly justiciable domestically but in making use of them as a criterion for interpretation of national laws.�[6] A quick search through the Korean Constitutional Court's decisions from 1988 to 2002 confirms that the Court has never referred to the Convention on the Rights of the Child, although it has decided several cases affecting children's rights.
This is one of several many internal laws that were made because of foreign pressure. Now I would point out many other laws but it is a painstaking process to search for CREDIBLE resources.
However, you are entitled to believe that Korea has NEVER made internal laws due to foreign pressure. Though if you were in tuned to the United Nations and foreign government websites as well as credible news websites, it took foreign pressure and influence for many of Korea's vital internal laws to be established. |
Good. Let the State Department and professional NGOs advocate for change.
You, as an English Teacher, should stay out of it, except insofar as the laws relate to visa regulations/your pay/etc. |
Actually, you would have to tell all the FOREIGN NGOs to stay out of it. That would be hard since they are already involved. Besides when I fight for human rights, I don't represent my school neither represent myself as an English teacher. I clearly express to people that on causes unrelated to teaching. I still have a right, even in this country, to voice my opinion against laws that are against human rights and take action as long as it does not violate the terms of my contract and any Korean law. I can willfully go and express my concerns to Korean officials (not saying it will have any impact) and arrange other people to voice their concerns as well, mostly on this I will work with local organizations within Korea as well as foreign organizations already situated in Korea.
Oh by the way I know what a person can and can not do my fiancee works for the government and clearly states what I can and can not do. |
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ernie
Joined: 05 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| how is it 'righteous' or 'imperialist' to say that koreans should follow KOREAN law?! |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: |
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| The South Korean government's response to the UN Study on Violence Against Children |
This is a report with nothing in it about 'pressure'. Unless you mean issuing a report is pressure. Is that what you mean by pressure?
So far you haven't convinced me that the changes that have occured in Korea haven't occured because of Koreans own desires, decisions and actions.
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| Oh by the way I know what a person can and can not do my fiancee works for the government and clearly states what I can and can not do. |
Unless your fiancee is a lawyer, I'd be careful. |
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Funkdafied
Joined: 04 Nov 2007
Location: In Da House
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| The OP is not a native speaker of English, that is clear from the grammar. The OP seems to have a pattern of posting with a clear agenda. I would call it a troll and leave it at that. |
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truthfulchat
Joined: 30 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:27 pm Post subject: I pointed it out |
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| The South Korean government's response to the UN Study on Violence Against Children |
This is a report with nothing in it about 'pressure'. Unless you mean issuing a report is pressure. Is that what you mean by pressure?
So far you haven't convinced me that the changes that have occured in Korea haven't occured because of Koreans own desires, decisions and actions.
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| Oh by the way I know what a person can and can not do my fiancee works for the government and clearly states what I can and can not do. |
Unless your fiancee is a lawyer, I'd be careful. |
The people did not want this law. It is still cultural practice for corporal punishment to be used in the schools and homes. The beating of a child is generally acceptable even though laws have been passed. Besides as I pointed out this law at least was a RESPONSE to the report and not the Korean people. Most vital internal laws are because of foreign pressure because the Korean people either deny there is a problem or willing lie to save face for their country.
Just ask a Korean about crime? Most will say we have nothing to worry because there is virtually no crime. Is this statement true? Nope many reports have proven there is a lot of crime in Korea including ones that involve violence. |
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truthfulchat
Joined: 30 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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| Funkdafied wrote: |
| The OP is not a native speaker of English, that is clear from the grammar. The OP seems to have a pattern of posting with a clear agenda. I would call it a troll and leave it at that. |
First, I am a native English speaker. Second, please refrain from insults and stick to the topic. I asked people in the beginning to do this but clearly you did not read it. |
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pugwall
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:36 pm Post subject: |
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| What exactly do you want? |
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The Grumpy Senator
Joined: 13 Jan 2008
Location: Up and down the 6 line
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yes Truthfulchat,
Every Korean law is in response to pressure from the ol' US of A. Including the outlawing of firearms and the strict drug enforcement!!!!!
Do want Koreans to stop lookling so damn Asian, as well? Maybe some pressure from Bush can fix that!!! |
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truthfulchat
Joined: 30 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:50 pm Post subject: This is what I want to do |
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| What exactly do you want? |
I just want people to never give up fighting for their rights and beliefs no matter what country they are in. If you feel a law is injust I urge to stand against it, do all you can LEGALLY. True you would have to research the local laws to see what you can and can not do. I actually took action by joining local organizations and foreign organizations in Korea that support many causes. I think writing letters to local officials, forming groups or associations, and social campaigns (nothing union-like---review local laws) will make a difference and help change to happen.
Though majority of Koreans won't be willing to help, there are small groups of Koreans willing to help different causes. So we would need to form alliances with these organizations as well as foreign organizations in Korea.
I will note I have done this successfully in the USA. In this country since I don't know everything about it I joined existing organizations with people that have more experience than me. |
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truthfulchat
Joined: 30 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: Read closely |
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Yes Truthfulchat,
Every Korean law is in response to pressure from the ol' US of A. Including the outlawing of firearms and the strict drug enforcement!!!!!
Do want Koreans to stop lookling so damn Asian, as well? Maybe some pressure from Bush can fix that!!! |
I did not say every law. I said many laws were a response because of foreign pressure, not just the US but the United Nations as well.
Oh the strict drug enforcement could be because of US. You know US is having that war on drugs with harsh punishments. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| The OP is not a native speaker of English, that is clear from the grammar. The OP seems to have a pattern of posting with a clear agenda. I would call it a troll and leave it at that. |
What is the opposite of a "sock?" What do you call it when two people post under one account? I think that may be what is happening as his posts in this thread are a bit more coherent and with less glaring errors in grammar, style, etc., not to mention bizarreness and paranoia. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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| The best way is to convince Koreans they need to work to change things... |
Should you at least not wait for them to invite opinions and comments from you? |
I understand your point of allowing an invite. However, there is a problem. In this country there is a nationalistic behavior that Koreans aren't willing to ask for help because they believe there are no problems in their country or to protect their country they will deny problems exist.
Like I said many vital laws that were passed were due to foreign pressure and influence. Sometimes we have to state our causes repeatedly until the Korean people and government are willing to listen. Most of the time we won't get an invite because in this country foreigners, except for some circumstances, have no say so on what is going on even when it comes to laws dealing with themselves. |
You don't actually talk to Korean adults do you? |
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pugwall
Joined: 22 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:02 pm Post subject: Re: This is what I want to do |
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| truthfulchat wrote: |
| pugwall wrote: |
| What exactly do you want? |
I just want people to never give up fighting for their rights and beliefs no matter what country they are in. If you feel a law is injust I urge to stand against it, do all you can LEGALLY. True you would have to research the local laws to see what you can and can not do. I actually took action by joining local organizations and foreign organizations in Korea that support many causes. I think writing letters to local officials, forming groups or associations, and social campaigns (nothing union-like---review local laws) will make a difference and help change to happen.
Though majority of Koreans won't be willing to help, there are small groups of Koreans willing to help different causes. So we would need to form alliances with these organizations as well as foreign organizations in Korea.
I will note I have done this successfully in the USA. In this country since I don't know everything about it I joined existing organizations with people that have more experience than me. |
Specifically which laws? |
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truthfulchat
Joined: 30 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:05 pm Post subject: Response to bacaspar |
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| bacasper wrote: |
| Funkdafied wrote: |
| The OP is not a native speaker of English, that is clear from the grammar. The OP seems to have a pattern of posting with a clear agenda. I would call it a troll and leave it at that. |
What is the opposite of a "sock?" What do you call it when two people post under one account? I think that may be what is happening as his posts in this thread are a bit more coherent and with less glaring errors in grammar, style, etc., not to mention bizarreness and paranoia. |
No, I am still the same person that posted the other topics. However, I am now trying to understand other people's points and looking around online and seeing some support for their statements. I still can be objective and still try to support a cause. As for the insults, they really weren't started by me, it started by people picking on my grammatical errors and insulting me because of it. I seriously thought people were dodging the topic by bringing up stuff like that. Anyway, you are welcome to chime in on the conversation but please make it on topic, and nothing to do with ANYONE'S grammatical errors since no one on here has written perfect English on these forums anyway. |
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