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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:32 pm Post subject: Call me paranoid , but... |
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Doesn't this increase of so called Bin Laden recordings correlate a little too closely with the U.S elections ?
Does anyone else foresee how it might be possible that some terror act might be staged in the U.S to convince people to keep the republican party in power. Billions of dollars are at stake for very powerful people.
I'll be written off as a conspiracy kook of course, but you don't need any brilliant insight into the human condition , or Machiavellian super skills to see that the current crop running the united states are capable of profound levels of social engineering and manipulation. They callously have cost hundreds of thousands of lives already protecting oil and weapons contracts...what's one more "terror attack" on United states soil in the grand context of this ?
To me , very plausible |
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Gopher

Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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What evidence can you offer? |
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laogaiguk

Joined: 06 Dec 2005 Location: somewhere in Korea
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Keep it in current events. No one cares up here. I wonder about the OP sometimes too... |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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only as a last resort.
the DEM in fighting is helping the GOP in no small way. by the convention time american blacks will hate hillary and voter "other" just as older "christians"/american women (not a small number) will not vote for obama.
divide and conquer. old trick. every day between now and the DEM convention/last one standing is a huge gift for mac. |
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Gopher

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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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laogaiguk wrote: |
I wonder about the OP sometimes too... |
OK, what evidence can you offer? How do you explain such a paranoid worldview? On what evidence, if any, do you base it?
You cannot simply hurl wild allegations without explaining how you reached your conclusions... |
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mistermasan
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: 10+ yrs on Dave's ESL cafe
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:12 pm Post subject: |
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well...why should we trust the govt? it isn't really our friend now is it?
how many times should we just "swallow it"?
remember the maine? blew up on accident. we went to war.
WW1 entry at behest of weapons mfgs.
FDR baited Japan into striking first.
tonkin gulf was a set-up from the get go.
no weapons of mass destruction.
how long should we trust these guys? ever increasing tax rates matched by ever decreasing freedoms.
401ks are guaranteed by nothing.
big business runs the day and the will of the people has been discarded. like cheney's recent comment on the fact the vast majority of american's hate the wars in the middle east: "so?" |
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Justin Hale

Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:13 pm Post subject: |
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There's no evidence, Gopher, but adherents will appeal to the Russell's Teapot fallacy.....the lack of evidence just goes to show how hideous and secretive the evidence really is.
Belief in conspiracy theories (with no objective evidence in favor of them - objective in the sense that nobody can disagree) is very similar to religious faith and belief in the supernatural, since it invokes Russell's Teapot. |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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What evidence can you offer? |
Firstly I was not proposing I had any evidence . Secondly how would you expect little 'ol me me to get my hands on any such evidence ?
I can only go by what I know of human nature. I can look into events and the motives I've given and ask myself if the motives seem consitant with human nature , or does it seem far more likely that the actual agenda is not the one presented to the public.
What is so controversial about thinking a group of human beings might be pursuing a self serving agenda while doing a public relations job to paint it as something else ? The western world is absolutely full of this pattern ......do you watch television adverts ? ....Why would it not be found in politics ?
The alternative to believing that politics is about a self serving agenda is to believe that it's about philanthropy .....when billions of dollars and power are involved , you can believe that if you want , but you may as well believe in santa claus and the easter bunny at the same time .
Almost every action we've seen by the current U.S government , followed through to it's conclusion , has the same result : Certain people getting much richer while the average man suffers . For that there is plenty of evidence . |
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Gopher

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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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You referenced "the so-called bin Laden recording." This implies a great deal. It is fair to ask that you explain to us how you know all that you claim to know about this particular recording, its timing, and its overall meaning.
I take it from your responses that you cannot do this. |
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Benicio
Joined: 25 May 2006 Location: Down South- where it's hot & wet
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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To the OP,
not all Republicans are the same.
As for the presidency, if there were no term limits, then 4 more years of Bush would just be friggin' awful. He is a disgrace.
John McCain is a completely different kind of Republican- far more moderate and he does not go around saying that he talks to God like Bush has done. McCain is actually somewhat intelligent and for more well spoken than Bush.
So to answer your question, if McCain wins the presidency, the next 4 years would not be like Bush.
Pull your head out! |
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mistermasan
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:15 pm Post subject: |
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yes, mac is much more intelligent. where as bush graduated middling at an ivy mac graduated pretty much at the bottom of a serivce academy that he never woulda been accepted into save for who his daddy was.
both are legacies that have largely traded and parlayed on their last names their entire careers. |
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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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The decline of hegemony is perceived simultaneously as very slow and quite rapid. On the other hand, suddenly, everyone seems to notice that the authority of the hegemonic power is under serious challenge, and that the achievement of its political will is no longer automatic. The hegemonic power seems to be in some economic trouble, after a long period of unquestioned prosperity. And of course the very perception of these weaknesses increases them, since others are then ready to act in the inter state arena in ways that are markedly different from the ways in which they acted during the heyday of the hegemonic power. On the other hand, decline seems slow. The hegemonic power, even when it begins to decline, is clearly still the strongest power (militarily, politically, economically, even culturally). If it does not automatically get its way, it remains hard for anyone to do things against its will. If its economic lead is cut, it still seems (and is) wealthy. |
International Relations: critical concepts in political science
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It really isn't going to make any difference. Governments will do anything to maintain power. To think they wouldn't, would be erroneous. Propaganda is a powerful tool, you'll believe what they want you to believe. "Iraq really is getting better" America has been on the downslope since the 70's, it's slipping away under it's own greed and lies. While everyone waited round for the USSR to collapse and claim victory the same can be said for the US. China and Russia are just waiting round for the inevitable then they'll 'claim' victory when it happens. We'll see how the US finds the shoe being on the other foot. "History is written by the Victors" |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:30 pm Post subject: |
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You referenced "the so-called bin Laden recording." This implies a great deal. It is fair to ask that you explain to us how you know all that you claim to know about this particular recording, its timing, and its overall meaning.
I take it from your responses that you cannot do this. |
And so ?
The media hasn't taken the time to bother proving they are his recordings either . They slip that important information in somewhere in the middle as "said to be ossame bin laden" and then go on as that makes it valid . I'm sorry but these "Bin laden" voice recordings just don't seem consistant with what you would expect . They don't come out for ages , then why come out as a dodgy voice recording with some obscure warning ....just enough to keep the public aware and afraid . I just question their validity , that's all . I'm free to do that with our without cross refrencing/presenting evidence and/or your permission thank you . It's called "thinking for myself" . |
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bovinerebel
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:58 pm Post subject:
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To the OP,
not all Republicans are the same.
As for the presidency, if there were no term limits, then 4 more years of Bush would just be friggin' awful. He is a disgrace.
John McCain is a completely different kind of Republican- far more moderate and he does not go around saying that he talks to God like Bush has done. McCain is actually somewhat intelligent and for more well spoken than Bush.
So to answer your question, if McCain wins the presidency, the next 4 years would not be like Bush.
Pull your head out!
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McCain won't do a damn thing different . Every problem will still be seen as a nail , and the army as a hammer . Stupid . When your p!ssing the world of by violently intervening where you are not needed or wanted it's time to back the hell up and go home . Their solutions seems to be to increase the violence until the world decides it's just has no choice but to unwillingly lie down and give up it's freedoms for your benefit . This is fascism ...why would you align yourself with such thinking ?
When "protecting your freedom" becomes about oppressing the freedom of others , you lose the moral high ground . Can't these idiots see this simple point ? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Location: Established in 1994
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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: |
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Doesn't this increase of so called Bin Laden recordings correlate a little too closely with the U.S elections ?
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The election is 7 months away. If Osama was trying to influence the election, he'd time it better than this. He'd also be much more inflammatory and aim his remarks more at the US than at Europe.
Which party would 'gain' by a terrorist attack this fall? That's hard to say. The voting majority could react either way: We need a former military man in office and vote for McCain or the voting majority could say they want a fresh new approach. You also have to take into account what the terrorists themselves think they would accomplish. Which party do they think would further terrorist goals and what kind of behavior would be required to influence the election to attain that goal. Pretty complicated. |
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