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Gopher
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| OK. You have chosen to take the red pill, Neo. Best of luck in the world you now inhabit. Who knows? Maybe you are onto something... |
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bovinerebel
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:29 am Post subject: |
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| OK. You have chosen to take the red pill, Neo. Best of luck in the world you now inhabit. Who knows? Maybe you can fly, too... |
And the proof you would need to be convinced the united states government is operating with a alternative agenda to what they would have you believe is ...? |
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Gopher
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:30 am Post subject: |
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| In case you did not notice, I no longer think an exchange of views with you will lead anywhere productive. Your position will likely remain utterly impenetrable until the day you die. |
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bovinerebel
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| In case you did not notice, I no longer think an exchange of views with you will lead anywhere productive. |
I told you what it would take for me to believe there was no sinister government agenda behind this war . I've demonstrated how my argument can be falsified . Can you please do the same ? What would it take for you to be convinced that the government has a sinister agenda ? How can you ask me for proof if I don't even know what proof I'm looking for ? What would prove to you that you are wrong ?
but you are right in one sense....if you don't even know what it would take for you to change your mind...then how could we ever move forward ? you are obviously totally closed off to the possibility . Your mind is wired shut . That's why you absorb information so passively .
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bovinerebel
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: |
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Don't worry . I know that you are struggling to think of anything that says that the government isn't following a sinister agenda that I can't easily prove. That's because the government is clearly following a sinister agenda.
But I'll suggets some questions...
You'd have to prove there were nbo weapons of mass destruction ?
You'd have to prove they knew there were no weapons ?
You'll have to prove it wasn't altriusm .
You'd have to prove that certain individuals that instigated the war have proffited from the war ?
you'd have to show me actual cases of the united states manufacturing reasons to go to war ?
You'd have to prove that human beings are capable of killing their own people to follow and agenda of money and power and that it could happen today in the united states ?
Which of these do you think hasn't been proved exactly ?
I think you got confused between the difference between a weak conspiracy theory and an obviously true one .
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| Don't worry . I know that you are struggling to think of anything that says that the government isn't following a sinister agenda that I can't easily prove |
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I thnk he's probably got better things to do right now.  |
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bovinerebel
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 1:53 am Post subject: |
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| I thnk he's probably got better things to do right now. |
So it's come to this ? Shall we just save ourselves some time and declare me the obvious winner ?
Silly people . Trying to employ 19th century causational logic without understanding its circular nature .
Nothing to see here folks.
Amateurs. |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
Location: Next to a River
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| What evidence can you offer? |
I would like to see that.
If any American would like to see a repeat of the mess they are in at the moment, I would be very surprised.
(IF THE WHOLE ORIGINAL PLAN TO ENTER IRAQ WAS CREATED BY SOME SECRET ORGANIZATION TO BENEFIT THE USA) Then they surely learnt thier lesson and wouldn't be trying to recreate their original actions.
No offence to others, while I do realise that a fascist state that can control its populations thoughts and actions may be beneficial to certain capitalists. I am sure that anyone who can manipulate a population would view it in thier benefit to corrupt the next President of the USA rather than manipulate the population.
Especially after thier original plan to place President Bush in power worked out so well for them.
(Though I believe the current Presidency was a victim of circumstance rather than an originator of trouble).
The rest of you are entitled to your own beliefs and thats why WE LOVE INDIVIDUAL THOUGHT. |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:15 am Post subject: |
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| (IF THE WHOLE ORIGINAL PLAN TO ENTER IRAQ WAS CREATED BY SOME SECRET ORGANIZATION TO BENEFIT THE USA) |
Why would it have to benefit the U.S.A ? Couldn't it be to benefit individuals in big business ? Or Israel ? I'm not saying any of those statements are true on their own , but certainly whatever the case it's clear the real agenda was not to altruistically help the same people who you don't seem to care you are murdering . I find helping people inconsistant with killing them and putting their country to riun . I'm funny that way . |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:18 am Post subject: |
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| bovinerebel wrote: |
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| I thnk he's probably got better things to do right now. |
So it's come to this ? Shall we just save ourselves some time and declare me the obvious winner ?
Silly people . Trying to employ 19th century causational logic without understanding its circular nature .
Nothing to see here folks.
Amateurs. |
Um, I don't think you can declare yourself the winner because someone logs off and does something that's actually important and not Dave's related, like: sleep, go to work, make out with your girlfriend, etc. |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| Um, I don't think you can declare yourself the winner because someone logs off and does something that's actually important and not Dave's related, like: sleep, go to work, make out with your girlfriend, etc. |
That wasn't why I declared myself the winner . I declared myself the winner because I know that every critique of my "conspiracy theory" about sinister american government foriegn policies based on facts is not going to do very well . Like I said...the guy doesn't know the difference between a wacky conspiracy theory and one that's pretty much undeniable. I'll be happy to try prove it to you , but first I need to know what it would take for you to change your mind . Is that so unfair ? I can't shout facts into a void and be expected to get anywhere . |
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Summer Wine
Joined: 20 Mar 2005
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| but certainly whatever the case it's clear the real agenda was not to altruistically help the same people who you don't seem to care you are murdering |
Actually if you mean those people who are intentionally killing US troops in Iraq, then no sorry I have no sympathy for them.
Good luck to them, "please don't stand in front of an innocent civilian on your way out" is my response to them.
Apologies to your sympathies, but since I was seven years old I have been told that you don't point a gun at a person unless you intend to kill them. Therefore why should I feel bad if they fire back?
I have problems with entering Iraq originally and if you wish a reason and are willing to listen then I will explain.
Though if you think I have any concern for those in this world who target civilians intentionally then sorry I am all out of sympathy. The civilians deserve sympathy Though, but we make the world that we are in and we act as we want the world to be. |
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Big_Bird
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Sorry, couldn't resist.  |
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bovinerebel
Joined: 27 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 3:15 am Post subject: |
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| Though if you think I have any concern for those in this world who target civilians intentionally then sorry I am all out of sympathy. The civilians deserve sympathy Though, but we make the world that we are in and we act as we want the world to be. |
I don't understand at all . Do you mean for example the united states army ? Or do you buy that "collaterall damage stuff ?"
As we stand right now we have 4000 armed american invading soldiers killed by iraqis freedom fighters..er sorry..."terrorists" and 100 000 of thousands dead iraqi CIVILIANS . When you invade a country uninvited and set it into a path of chaos with your army and do most of the killing ..how exactly do you come to the conclusion that it's them that are the terrorists ?
You can't see a person bravely defending their country from a much better armed invading force as anything other than an "evil terrorist" ?
What's wrong with some of you Americans ? |
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