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Kuros
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 Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:32 pm Post subject: McCain in '98 on Hillary |
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| Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno |
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I'm beginning to discover that McCain's problem goes beyond his temper. He is actually just vulgar. |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| He called up Bill Clinton and apologised after he said that. |
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Ya-ta Boy
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Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:41 pm Post subject: |
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How do you apologize for attacking a child just to hurt the parents? That truly was crass.
The more I think about this, the more it bothers me. If McCain just popped it off, then he can't control his mouth. If he thought of it at home and saved it for later, then he's guilty of premeditated cruelty. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:58 pm Post subject: |
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How do you apologize for attacking a general and ridiculing his name just to get at the President, Ya-ta Boy? Front-page ads representing vicious personal attacks involve their own kind of premeditation.
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A lot of people on the right were going after the Clintons and Janet Reno, who wanted the governorship in FLA, pretty bitterly in the late-1990s. A lot of people in the media looking to mitigate if not deflect attention from the "pimping out" commentary today.
Further, McCain can hardly stand as the only statesman in world history to have offered a joke in poor taste. And if the Clintons accepted his apology, well, where is the story here?
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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If he felt free to say that in '98, what the hell is he gonna come out with during a presidency starting 10 years later when he is 72 years old?
The guy served his country well, and I respect him for that, but in no way do I want this guy to be the next prez. |
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flakfizer
Joined: 12 Nov 2004
Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:42 pm Post subject: |
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10 years old and it's a current event?
Who cares? |
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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A joke too bad to print?
HOW SEN. JOHN McCAIN'S TASTELESS TWO-LINER ABOUT CHELSEA CLINTON AND JANET RENO WAS CENSORED OUT OF THE NATION'S LEADING NEWSPAPERS.
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BY DAVID CORN
During the last few months, many established media outlets have decided to report innuendo and rumor about the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, as long as they have a source they can cite (at least anonymously), or another media player has reported the same.
But this new standard in the practice of journalism seemingly does not extend to other political figures, at least not media darlings like Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. Earlier this month, at a Republican Senate fund-raiser, McCain told a downright nasty joke making fun of Janet Reno, Hillary Rodham Clinton and Chelsea Clinton.
The fact that McCain had made the tasteless joke was reported in major newspapers, as was the vain attempt by his press secretary to initially deny what McCain had done. But in several major newspapers, the joke itself was kept a secret. When McCain subsequently apologized to President Clinton, the Washington Post, in its personality section, noted the apology but said the joke "was too vicious to print."
The Los Angeles Times, in its Life & Style section, provided an oblique rendering of the joke that did not fully convey its ugliness. When Maureen Dowd penned a column in the New York Times about the joke, she wrote that McCain "is so revered by the press that his disgusting jape was largely nudged under the rug." But Dowd chose not to relay the joke, either.
The joke did appear in McCain's hometown paper, the Arizona Republic, and the Associated Press did report the joke in full, so everyone in the press had access to McCain's words. But by censoring themselves, the Post, the Times and others helped McCain deflect flak and preserved his status as a Republican presidential contender.
Salon feels its readers deserve the unadulterated truth. Though no tape of McCain's quip has yet emerged, this is what he reportedly said:
"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."
The joke may be crude, but it pales in comparison with the published details surrounding the presidential sex scandal. McCain's two-liner conveys some interesting insights into what he considers humorous (lesbianism, a young woman's physical appearance), particularly since it was delivered to a Republican crowd. Remember, this is the party that champions pro-family values.
McCain's lapse in judgment -- admittedly, not as big a lapse as having a sexual relationship with an intern -- may be a significant clue into aspects of his "character," and thus relevant to the voting public. But many voters have been spared this insight, thanks to the censors in the press.
Accordingly, McCain is well-positioned to ride out this messy little episode. Ever since he started championing the anti-tobacco bill (which was torpedoed by his GOP comrades), McCain has been the White House's pet Republican on the Hill. Consequently, the White House played down his Chelsea remarks. McCain is also unusually popular with the media. He gives good quotes; he is outspoken. He takes positions that contradict the Republican leadership. When you talk to McCain, he converses in the manner of a real person, seemingly telling you what he thinks. That is rare among elected officials. Ask him a question and he does not shift into automatic-politician mode, as do most members of Congress.
The former Vietnam POW should escape this matter without serious political harm. In the inevitable magazine profiles of McCain that will be written, there will no doubt be the perfunctory line: "McCain's tendency to speak too freely was proven when he made a distasteful joke at a fund-raiser about the first family and then had to apologize to the president."
But the joke revealed more than a mean streak in a man who would be president. It also exposed how the Washington Post, New York Times and Los Angeles Times play favorites when reporting the foibles of our leading politicians.
SALON | June 25, 1998
David Corn, Washington editor of the Nation, is a regular contributor to Salon.
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject: |
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| McCain had a brain fart, perhaps 'elder', moment a couple days ago under questioning. Everyone's entitled to a flub or two, but I heard it refered to as an elder moment on MSNBC, which is admittedly left-leaning though not the the extent Fox leans right. If he does this on a regular basis its going to hurt him. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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Gopher noted:
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| How do you apologize for attacking a general and ridiculing his name just to get at the President, Ya-ta Boy? Front-page ads representing vicious personal attacks involve their own kind of premeditation. |
Good point, and well said, but YaTa Boy won't take much note.
Czarjorge:
Brain-farting isn't the exclusive domain of the elderly, as you can attest. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| stevemcgarrett wrote: |
Gopher noted:
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| How do you apologize for attacking a general and ridiculing his name just to get at the President, Ya-ta Boy? Front-page ads representing vicious personal attacks involve their own kind of premeditation. |
Good point, and well said, but YaTa Boy won't take much note.
Czarjorge:
Brain-farting isn't the exclusive domain of the elderly, as you can attest. |
I regret, Steve, it is not only IGTG who must try to follow some guidelines. I don't enjoy pointing this out. You're funny, and that's nice but....
Chapter 8:
EIGHT)Refrain from ad-hominem attacks. Calling someone an idiot, UFO believing Lefty or a fascist Republican says that you cannot listen to that person, because they are without logical faculties because of their political affiliation, and it involves personal attacks. Calling someone a moron and then attaching a political label doesn't promote political discussion.
Thanks, the mod team.....
Please refer to the posted guidelines circa Marzo, March 2008 posted.
Grazie, Thank you,
L'amministrazione, The management... |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:59 pm Post subject: |
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How do you apologize for attacking a general and ridiculing his name just to get at the President, Ya-ta Boy? Front-page ads representing vicious personal attacks involve their own kind of premeditation.
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I'm not really in charge of that, Gopher. This thread is about an adult humiliating a child. In politics, rightly or wrongly, adults are fair game. Children are not. I can see a difference. Sorry you can't. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:02 am Post subject: |
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Ya-ta Boy: her parents placed her on the national stage. It is just politics. And politics gets ugly. The Clintons might have considered that before putting microphones in her hands and dragging out the cameras, etc. But they remained a little too fixated on their own careers for those kinds of considerations.
Further, actually, I can see many things. And the most apparent pattern I see in your politics is that you remain highly-attuned to (ten-year-old) Republican wrongs but obstinately blind to (ten-week-old) Democratic ones.
In a word, one-sided.
And Kuros: you fell for the authors' move to distract from "pimping out" and shift the conversation to McCain and the Republicans. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
Location: Sometimes here sometimes there...
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| I agree with Ya-ta on this one. It was a really low blow to involve a child. What the hell does that do to a young child's esteem? Absolutely horrible. Where is the empathy for a child? What he did appalls me. |
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Gopher
Joined: 04 Jun 2005
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| It was a really low blow to involve a child. What the hell does that do to a young child's esteem? Absolutely horrible. Where is the empathy for a child? What he did appalls me. |
You are getting upset over a ten-year-old incident, an incident that the Clintons and McCains seem to have put behind them, an incident that desperate and drowning journalists are raising to call off the heat that they have brought onto themselves with their "pimping out" commentary...
We should keep our eye on the ball. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 12:44 am Post subject: |
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| her parents placed her on the national stage |
I left home in early '94, and up to that time, the Clintons had kept Chelsea off the stage. I've been under the impression that that remained true up until this primary season. Regardless if that is true or not, I find it offensive--and disappointing-- that McCain or anyone else would attack a teenage girl's looks.
You are welcome to have your own reaction. |
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