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uberscheisse · Joined: 02 Dec 2003 Location: japan is better than korea.

oh, finally a newspaper article! we have the smoking gun! global warming doesn't exist, so we can finally go back to doing exactly what we've been doing for the past 50 years and pretend it still works!

thank you, australian newspaper! one day people will think of you as a rosetta stone!

Justin Hale · Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express

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Justin Hale · Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express

Justin Hale · Joined: 24 Nov 2007 Location: the Straight Talk Express

Yaya · Joined: 25 Feb 2003 Location: Seoul

Challenge to Scientific Consensus on Global Warming
Analysis Finds Hundreds of Scientists Have Published Evidence Countering Man-Made Global Warming Fears

A new analysis of peer-reviewed literature reveals that more than 500 scientists have published evidence refuting at least one element of current man-made global warming scares. More than 300 of the scientists found evidence that 1) a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more than a dozen global warmings similar to ours since the last Ice Age and/or that 2) our Modern Warming is linked strongly to variations in the sun's irradiance. "This data and the list of scientists make a mockery of recent claims that a scientific consensus blames humans as the primary cause of global temperature increases since 1850," said Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Dennis Avery.

Other researchers found evidence that 3) sea levels are failing to rise importantly; 4) that our storms and droughts are becoming fewer and milder with this warming as they did during previous global warmings; 5) that human deaths will be reduced with warming because cold kills twice as many people as heat; and 6) that corals, trees, birds, mammals, and butterflies are adapting well to the routine reality of changing climate.

Despite being published in such journals such as Science, Nature and Geophysical Review Letters, these scientists have gotten little media attention. "Not all of these researchers would describe themselves as global warming skeptics," said Avery, "but the evidence in their studies is there for all to see."

The names were compiled by Avery and climate physicist S. Fred Singer, the co-authors of the new book Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 Years, mainly from the peer-reviewed studies cited in their book. The researchers' specialties include tree rings, sea levels, stalagmites, lichens, pollen, plankton, insects, public health, Chinese history and astrophysics.

"We have had a Greenhouse Theory with no evidence to support it-except a moderate warming turned into a scare by computer models whose results have never been verified with real-world events," said co-author Singer. "On the other hand, we have compelling evidence of a real-world climate cycle averaging 1470 years (plus or minus 500) running through the last million years of history. The climate cycle has above all been moderate, and the trees, bears, birds, and humans have quietly adapted."

"Two thousand years of published human histories say that the warm periods were good for people," says Avery. "It was the harsh, unstable Dark Ages and Little Ice Age that brought bigger storms, untimely frost, widespread famine and plagues of disease." "There may have been a consensus of guesses among climate model-builders," says Singer. "However, the models only reflect the warming, not its cause." He noted that about 70 percent of the earth's post-1850 warming came before 1940, and thus was probably not caused by human-emitted greenhouse gases. The net post-1940 warming totals only a tiny 0.2 degrees C.

The historic evidence of the natural cycle includes the 5000-year record of Nile floods, 1st-century Roman wine production in Britain, and thousands of museum paintings that portrayed sunnier skies during the Medieval Warming and more cloudiness during the Little Ice Age. The physical evidence comes from oxygen isotopes, beryllium ions, tiny sea and pollen fossils, and ancient tree rings. The evidence recovered from ice cores, sea and lake sediments, cave stalagmites and glaciers has been analyzed by electron microscopes, satellites, and computers. Temperatures during the Medieval Warming Period on California's Whitewing Mountain must have been 3.2 degrees warmer than today, says Constance Millar of the U.S. Forest Service, based on her study of seven species of relict trees that grew above today's tree line.

Singer emphasized, "Humans have known since the invention of the telescope that the earth's climate variations were linked to the sunspot cycle, but we had not understood how. Recent experiments have demonstrated that more or fewer cosmic rays hitting the earth create more or fewer of the low, cooling clouds that deflect solar heat back into space-amplifying small variations in the intensity of the sun.

Avery and Singer noted that there are hundreds of additional peer-reviewed studies that have found cycle evidence, and that they will publish additional researchers' names and studies. They also noted that their book was funded by Wallace O. Sellers, a Hudson board member, without any corporate contributions.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/news_press_release,176495.shtml

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xingyiman · Joined: 12 Jan 2006

Justin just because you support McCain does not hold sway over the fact that you are still of the democratic persuassion. If Hillary gets the nonimation there will probably be lots of democrats who will cross over but voting on the opposing party's ticket does not change who you fundamentally are. There's nothing wrong with that but your statement that "I dont want to talk to you" says it all. Generally democrats don't like talking to anyone who holds different views from them. Aside from everything else. You claim there is a concensus and I agree but seeing how I have been closer to the belly of the beast - NOT popular science I will contend that the concensus is still limited as I outlined earlier. That's the advantage of having a degree in Geology as opposed to English but actually counting my undergrads I've got both. I digress.
Yaya and others have presented data that seems to contradict many of your views and I will point out that there is a large group of scientists who contend that global warming is not reason for alarm. Who's right? Who knows because politics is concened more with vote buying and fleecing us of our tax dollars
In the end as a rheoritician, I fail to see why you hold so much emotion on this sujbect as I often fail to see why so many people exhibit so much emotion concerning whether gays are genetically predisposed to being the way they are. Let me spell it out for you Justin. Emotion means personal investment. Why do you have such personal investement in the issue? As far as I can tell if global warming is indeed as bad as Al Gore suggests then our time is limited. Why worry? The worst of the changes will occur probably after you and I are all gone. Since we evolved insead of being created by a higher being then life and all it's vestiges will end for us. We will cease to exist. Future generations will have to deal with it and getting angry about it only steals from the quality of life here and now which according to your predisposition is all we have.

So eat drink and be merry because without accountability to a higher power it is us that make the rules that govern our world and who's to say that our mis-stewardship was wrong? It was good for us up to this point at the expense of the rest of the world. Is nature a God? If not then it simply holds a different perspective on our activities than we do.

Why be angry and try to trash the integrity of those who disagree with you? In the end all we are talking about are numers anyway.