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Is brain dead really dead?

 
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ontheway



Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...

PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:13 am    Post subject: Is brain dead really dead? Reply with quote

Maybe we need a new standard of death:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080324/ap_on_fe_st/not_dead;_ylt=AuYZpaHBsMHXELoHS4.bEkYuQE4F


Man declared dead feels 'pretty good' 2 hours, 6 minutes ago

OKLAHOMA CITY - Four months after he was declared brain dead and doctors were about to remove his organs for transplant, Zach Dunlap says he feels "pretty good."

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Dunlap was pronounced dead Nov. 19 at United Regional Healthcare System in Wichita Falls, Texas, after he was injured in an all-terrain vehicle accident. His family approved having his organs harvested.

As family members were paying their last respects, he moved his foot and hand. He reacted to a pocketknife scraped across his foot and to pressure applied under a fingernail. After 48 days in the hospital, he was allowed to return home, where he continues to work on his recovery.

On Monday, he and his family were in New York, appearing on NBC's "Today."

"I feel pretty good. but it's just hard ... just ain't got the patience," Dunlap told NBC
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Adventurer



Joined: 28 Jan 2006

PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Praise the Lord for that pocket knife:) Imagine, he wouldn't have been able to live if that didn't happen. I hope he makes a full recovery. So, he was really brain dead? Maybe we don't know what brain dead is or the doctors didn't know what they were talking about. Of course, people could then invoke the Terry Schiavo case.
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JMO



Joined: 18 Jul 2006
Location: Daegu

PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok we have two possibilities here(or more but I will deal with two).

1 We don't know what brain dead is and need a new standard of death.

2 In this one instance, doctors made a mistake and misdiagnosed him.

I'd say no 2 is more likely.
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Ya-ta Boy



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994

PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

An apropos quote:

Miracle Max: [Lifts and drops the arm of the dead Westley] I've seen worse.

Miracle Max: He probably owes you money huh? I'll ask him.
Inigo Montoya: He's dead. He can't talk.
Miracle Max: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Inigo Montoya: What's that?
Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.
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yawarakaijin



Joined: 08 Aug 2006

PostPosted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ya-ta Boy wrote:
An apropos quote:

Miracle Max: [Lifts and drops the arm of the dead Westley] I've seen worse.

Miracle Max: He probably owes you money huh? I'll ask him.
Inigo Montoya: He's dead. He can't talk.
Miracle Max: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Inigo Montoya: What's that?
Miracle Max: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.


In my opinion one of the greatest films ever made. Wink
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TexasPete



Joined: 24 May 2006
Location: Koreatown

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great...that's all we need now--those Terry Shiavo lunatics latching onto this and bleating it left, right and center.

Pleas note, however, that I do think it's pretty swell that this dude is on his way to making a recovery.
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englishteacher1



Joined: 03 Mar 2008

PostPosted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i guess
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