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cbclark4
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Location: Masan
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| reactionary wrote: |
| i thought if you had a BA you became an officer?! i once thought of joining the navy post college...guess considering how ignorant i am it's a good thing i didn't |
It's not automatic.
You only become an officer after officer training.
You only get officer training if there is space available.
My First sargeant had a Masters Degree. |
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TECO
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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So, a Canadian couldn't rock up to the U.S. base here in Seoul and say "I'd like to sign up for a tour of duty - put me in!"
They would have to have a "Green Card" ?
I've head conflicting info on whether Canadians can serve in the U.S. military. |
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NilesQ
Joined: 27 Nov 2006
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 2:59 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm Canadian. I was in Boston visiting friends and walked by a Navy recruiting center. The guy came running out to the street to talk to me. I told him I wasn't American. He said all you need is a green card and we can help you get that. I don't know how much truth there was to that, but that was pre 9-11 when they werent hurting for people like they are now. I think they would help as much as possible, and pending military service might make you a shoe in for a green card. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Prior to getting drafted upon my return to the US [DoD Dir. 10 USC 12304 ](  ), I tried to join the reserves while in Korea.
SFC Kim is the real anal-retentive idiot that I was forced to deal with since he IS the only Army recruiter in Korea- he works out of the recruiting office in Guam and has been TDY in Korea for a VERY long time.
According to him, he only deals with those that reside onbase and who have SOFA status (whether he was blowing smoke up my ass remained to be seen)....back in 2002, several people offbase brought an IG complaint against him because he refused to deal with Americans living offbase and guess what, they lost.
According to the Recruiting Battalion guidelines set forth for recruiters, they are only allowed to individuals that are easy to get in the door.
A friend of mine was forced to sign up for the Air Force in Texas because that was his home of residence and another friend had to spend 8 months in Seattle before being able to join the Army.
If you're in the US, a Canadian is able to join the US military if they are able to show that they entered the US legally and is willing to forego their citizenship after 3 years of service.
But as for being offered not to be deployed to Iraq- the Iraq deployment is a unit move, not an individual move, unless the individual is in the IRR (Individual Ready Reserves) [if they are in that, it is EASY to be taken out of it and put into a reserve unit in Korea] or IMA (Individual Mobilization Augmentee) [then it becomes an individual choice to put on a uniform again and again, easy to be taken out of and put into a reserve unit in Korea].
Those recruiters that offer such promises are indeed lying and could face arrest......................... |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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So, a Canadian couldn't rock up to the U.S. base here in Seoul and say "I'd like to sign up for a tour of duty - put me in!"
They would have to have a "Green Card" ?
I've head conflicting info on whether Canadians can serve in the U.S. military. |
Foreign nationals may enlist in the United States Armed Forces provided they have been lawfully admitted for residence ("green card holder") to the United States. They may not be promoted to the paygrade of E9 without the permission of their Service Secretary (Secretary of the Army, Secretary of the Navy, etc.) nor may they receive a warrant or a commission. Additionally, foreign nationals may not receive security clearances without Secretarial approval (I don't recall if that's Service Secretary or Secretary of Defense).
As lastat says above, recruiters that break the rules, to include fibbing or making empty promises, face judicial punishment. Courts-martial may order prison time in addition to a Dishonarable or Bad Conduct Discharge. |
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nicholas_chiasson
Joined: 14 Jun 2007
Location: Samcheok
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| -I went to the navy recruiter after I got my BA. I was almost kicked out the front door, they were so rude. I guess telling them I had bad asthma, 20/280 vision, and a low GPA didn't make them happy. But turned away in War Time, oh yeah. Forget a draft, they don't want me. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
Location: Sensus amo Caesar , etiamnunc victus amo uni plebian
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Additionally, foreign nationals may not receive security clearances without Secretarial approval (I don't recall if that's Service Secretary or Secretary of Defense) |
And you need a security clearance for most jobs and to be deployed overseas assignments like Korea, Japan, Italy, and Germany.
Believe it or not, if a person is in serious debt, they can be refused acceptence into the military.
Contrary to what is popularly known, recruiters don't have the final say in who joins or not. Their job is only to get someone's foot in the door. It is the MEPS physician and the services' laison personnel at MEPS who have the final say.
I also find it ironic that they are turning down people and at the same time, there are always articles in the news where the Army is always complaining that it is getting more difficult to find applicants to join.....
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1. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40469-2005Feb20.html
2. http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-11-03-army-blacks-inside_x.htm
3. http://www.heritage.org/Research/NationalSecurity/cda06-09.cfm
I remember talking to one of my platoon sergeant who was drafted during the Vietnam war (and in fact retired in Korea in 1999 after 26 years in service), he said that things were very laid back after basic training. The higher-ups were more worried with getting the job done than the politics of the job (that is, if you weren't an NCO or an officer).
But when I speak to vets now, they all complain that even in Iraq or Afghanistan, they harp on people for the smallest of things and give them a counselling statement (which is not supposed to be used for only negative things, but is used that way anyway....) |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| You're mostly correct, lastat, but not everyone needs a security clearance to be posted overseas. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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all in all, you will need a security clearance to get a good job so you are not stuck in an infantry line unit....
However, you could be an admin clerk.....thats an awesome job |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject: |
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| lastat06513 wrote: |
all in all, you will need a security clearance to get a good job so you are not stuck in an infantry line unit....
However, you could be an admin clerk.....thats an awesome job |
A buddy of mine was in the army band stationed in Korea. If you play an instrument, join the military band. You start off as a specialist AND your official duties during combat/war is as an MP. |
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lastat06513
Joined: 18 Mar 2003
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| AND your official duties during combat/war is as an MP. |
 ......an MP right now would not be a good job, especially if they are the companies responsible for going patrols around Baghdad or Kandahar |
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pkang0202
Joined: 09 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: |
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| AND your official duties during combat/war is as an MP. |
......an MP right now would not be a good job, especially if they are the companies responsible for going patrols around Baghdad or Kandahar |
My friend told me that army band members usually pull MP duty around bases. He said a war would be going VERY badly if the band had to go fight on the front lines. |
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rsmm0224
Joined: 06 Feb 2008
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| reactionary wrote: |
| i thought if you had a BA you became an officer?! |
That's one of the qualifications for entering some of the commissioning programs. There are some commissioning programs that do not require a degree (LDO, some CWO programs).
What confuses a lot of people is that those who graduated from ROTC programs and the Federal Service Academies are commissioned upon graduation. |
So can you go straight into OCS with a BS or BA? Does that count for your basic or do you have to do that first? |
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ajgeddes
Joined: 28 Apr 2004
Location: Yongsan
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:05 am Post subject: |
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| Just curious, but why don't you join the Canadian armed forces? |
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rsmm0224
Joined: 06 Feb 2008
Location: Changwon
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| Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: |
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| My friend told me that army band members usually pull MP duty around bases. He said a war would be going VERY badly if the band had to go fight on the front lines. |
I knew a guy back in NC who I thought was in the Marine Corps band at Camp Lejeune but then he had a "day job". (I forget what) Do band members practice drills full time or is it additional duty? If so, do they make more for it? |
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