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Vlad Spinner

Joined: 09 Sep 2007

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:47 am Post subject: Protestantism Cannot Stand up to the Bible

Hollywoodaction wrote:

jay-shi wrote:

I actually take pleasure in Korean Christians talking to me.

I tell them I am from a Catholic background (I really I am, private Catholic elementary and high-schools)

I start spewing out relevant passage in the bible such as

Isaiah Chapter 53
Matthew Chapter 5
Luke, Chapter 23
Romans Chapter 8
Revelation Chapter 21
First Corinthians, Chapter 13

Wait for their response..... Shocked

99% of the time they have no idea.

I saw my dad get the same response from some door-to-door Christians who came to our home. He studied to be a priest, but then had a change of heart a few months short of becoming one. Imagine their surprise when he started quoting some long dead theologian who argued that the Bible is not open to literal interpretation (probably Origen of Alexandria) after having listened to their spiel for 45 minutes.

James 2:24 totally demolishes Protestant doctrine.

"Do you see that by works a man is justified; and not by faith only?" (Challoner Revision of 1750)

Or if you prefer a Protestant version (Authorized, "King James"):

"[24] Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

Protestants claim to "follow the Bible" (in contradistinction to us presumably illiterate Catholics), but read the thing so very selectively, and with such foregone conclusions, that they somehow miss how verses such as this one contradict everything that Luther and Calvin ever taught.

Hollywoodaction

Joined: 02 Jul 2004

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: Re: Protestantism Cannot Stand up to the Bible

Vlad Spinner wrote:

Hollywoodaction wrote:

jay-shi wrote:

99% of the time they have no idea.

Mmm...You seem to misconstrue my father's youthful interest in theology as a sign that I enjoy that sort of debate. No, my father is now very much a skeptic and a humanist, which makes him wise enough to know that he has no right to dictate how I should lead my own life....I'm an atheist. You may try to convince me that I am wrong to discount the existence of god, but (thanks to my father) I know that the burden of proof falls upon you.

madowlspeaks

Joined: 07 Dec 2006
Location: Somewhere in time and space

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject:

Ut videam wrote:

There's an English Mass at the main altar of Myeongdong Cathedral every Sunday at 9 am. Confessions are available starting about 30 minutes before at the confessional at the left side of the altar.

There's also St. Francis Church, the international Catholic parish, in Hannam-dong not far from Itaewon. English Masses at 9 and 11 am. Their website is at http://church.catholic.or.kr/international/english/index.htm

And of course, you can always go to Mass in Korean. Even if you don't understand a word, the Mass is the same in any language, so you'll be able to follow along. And Korean Catholics are VERY different from Korean Protestants.

Do tell how Korean Catholics are different than Protestants.....

This is interesting... Surprised

stevemcgarrett

Joined: 24 Mar 2006

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:20 pm Post subject:

whatever wisecracked:

Quote:

hahahahahahahahaha!

the idea of human gods...

happy easter, moron

What's more disturbing than the OP's experience is the number of posters who responded by gloating about their atheism, as if that requires any real effort.

But then cynicism of this sort is its own punishment in life.

Fathom that, ye who are faithless.

DaeguKid

Joined: 09 Dec 2006
Location: Daegu

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject:

stevemcgarrett wrote:

whatever wisecracked:

Quote:

hahahahahahahahaha!

the idea of human gods...

happy easter, moron

Mcgarrett this is for you....watch the 1st third of the video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5547481422995115331&q=zeitgeist&total=4130&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
What also requires real effort is checking into why you would believe in something vs why you would not. Be it investing, a relationship or a religion for that matter.
For the record, I am a spiritual person. I think the human spirit knows what the difference between what is right and what is wrong. I feel that I do not need to be told who to judge or how to judge like the OP went through. Good on ya OP for throwing that crap back in the ministers face.
As for any believer out here, I am not expecting you to change your ways. But take the time to watch it, let me know what you think. It is quite informing. You may see why people feel the way the do about Christianity or any religion for that matter.
DK
ps, if your having troubles getting through it, just hang in there.

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RACETRAITOR

Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: Re: My first and last church experince in Korea

madowlspeaks wrote:

RACETRAITOR wrote:

So... what is the difference?

Difference of what? Could you please be a little more specific about the point you are trying to make here????

Difference between real and fake Christians, as I asked you way back on page 3.

Last edited by RACETRAITOR on Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:45 pm; edited 1 time in total

RACETRAITOR

Joined: 24 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul, South Korea

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject:

madowlspeaks wrote:

Ut videam wrote:

Do tell how Korean Catholics are different than Protestants.....

This is interesting... Surprised

You don't know how Korean Catholics are different from Korean Protestants? The Catholics came here first, and the Korean Catholics actually have a very close relationship with Buddhism. Catholic leaders appear at important Buddhist celebrations and vice versa. The Catholics here are tired of the whole Protestant get-rich-quick attitude, as well, and would hesitate at calling themselves "Christians."

ED209

Joined: 17 Oct 2006

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 7:55 pm Post subject:

stevemcgarrett wrote:

whatever wisecracked:

Quote:

hahahahahahahahaha!

the idea of human gods...

happy easter, moron

Fathom Fathoming... End.

Would you like a receipt with that? 네/아니오

beep,beep,beep.....

Eedoryeong

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Location: Jeju

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:58 pm Post subject:

madowlspeaks wrote:

Do tell how Korean Catholics are different than Protestants.....
This is interesting... Surprised

Well, from what I've seen so far, one important difference is that when our Catholic choir is finished rehearsing, we can all head down to the fried chicken, beer and soeju house, and drink and eat and openly berate the sopranos who come willy-nilly and expect to 'wing it' through the Hallelujah chorus on Easter morning. Let's face it those second sopranos are usually just asking for it. But *Lutheran* 2nd sops - Christ on a soapbox! - *They* get away with bloody murder! A committee for this, a committee for that, and an organizational chart for who's going to iron the choir robes for the next three weeks. The Catholic Women's League, however, will give you one upside the head if you so much as ask for sweet 'n low with your Maxim premix coffee.

You waltz in 30 minutes late to an RC rehearsal, and lemme tell ya... one pitcher down at the chicken hof everybody knows exactly what everyone thinks about that. But a few good loud exchanges, the occasional slugfest and we're singing cheers about friendship in operatic four-part harmony again and it's all water under the bridge - we're all good. And our cheers brings down the house on a Friday night.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it seem the Prots are usually antsy about singing Mozart and Palestrina because they wrote for the RCs, and will only do Ave Verum if they can change the words so as to distance themselves a bit and avoid being sullied by association? Meanwhile the RCs are cranking out A Mighty Fortress like it's one of their favorite hymns. Come on, people! Spirituality through catharsis, culture, and cholesterol all rolled up. And what are they handing out at the Prot rehearsal? Onion milk.

Oh no you di'nt!

Alternatively I could just stew in a pc bang disgruntlingly quoting Sagan.

Nah.

mateomiguel

Joined: 16 May 2005

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:04 pm Post subject:

Eedoryeong wrote:

Alternatively I could just stew in a pc bang disgruntlingly quoting Sagan.

I have taken this to mean that atheism will really have nothing to offer until they have choirs. Now, my response to every atheist will be "Oh yeah? Well, where's your choir? Come back when you got a choir." I do believe I'll win these arguments, devastatingly.

crusher_of_heads

Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:07 pm Post subject:

mateomiguel wrote:

Eedoryeong wrote:

Alternatively I could just stew in a pc bang disgruntlingly quoting Sagan.

By virtue of being cosplay hero you win every damn argument.

jinks

Joined: 27 Oct 2004
Location: Formerly: Lower North Island

Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: My first and last church experince in Korea

VanIslander wrote:

madowlspeaks wrote:

... no one can be as holy as God but God him/herself..... how to tell the difference between "real" and "fake" christians.

How many real Christians believe that God could possibly be a she. :shock:You call yourself a Catholic and yet the Father might be a Mother as well as the Son the Holy Spirit?
The Christians I have known are well aware of the difference between the true believers and nonbelievers. After all, the bible speaks of the chosen ones surviving armageddon.

When Christians, or anyone, refer to God as she, they are not saying the deity is female, they are making the point that God is neither male nor female. Calling God 'Father' in prayer does not make God male, anymore than calling Christ 'the Lamb of God' makes Him ovine.

PRagic

Joined: 24 Feb 2006

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 12:34 am Post subject:

Do yourself a favour and make it the last time you bother to go to church anywhere, anytime. To each their own, but religion makes for a warped way to look at the world, especially when you have individuals and individual institutions warping it even more.

Scotticus

Joined: 18 Mar 2007

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:42 am Post subject:

stevemcgarrett wrote:

Fathom that, ye who are faithless.

The most hilarious part is how people are actually PROUD of the fact that they're bleating whining sheep. Congrats, Steve, you're the adult equivalent of a child believing in Santa and the Tooth Fairy. Truly something to brag about.

OneWayTraffic

Joined: 14 Mar 2005

Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 2:32 am Post subject:

stevemcgarrett wrote:

whatever wisecracked:

Quote:

hahahahahahahahaha!

the idea of human gods...

happy easter, moron

Many who are now atheist, were once Christian. Decoversion is not an easy path. Unless you've had the experience of turning your whole belief system upside down, you can't legitimately comment.

Faith isn't a path to fact.

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