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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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 Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 12:22 am Post subject: Re: For Chingu71 |
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| Alvin Stardust wrote: |
| My point is, Chingu71, asking your learners to judge a teacher with questions that often only a teacher trainer could answer, and with other questions that are highly subjective and personal is very wrong indeed. Yes, find out how the learner feels, but also discover if the learner is actually making a positive effort themselves (before 'judging' others, particularly the teacher). These types of teacher surveys should be more balanced and fair to both parties. A teacher's job could easily be in danger through learner misunderstandings of the questions (especially in Korean), or there may be a few vindictive learners. |
If one student is complaining the teacher is horribly unprepared and does nothing but talk to themselves all class while the other 49 disagree, then one can see it for what the response was. However, if half the class says "horribly unprepared" and the other half says "does not give opportunity to practice", then you can see there are issues that need to be address immediately.
At one job I worked at for a few months this year, I learned that the students filled out surveys every single week because they were in intensive classes and studying five hours a day. I only learned this because they fired one teacher and asked me to take over their hours as I was the highest rated teacher.
Did every student say "greatest teacher ever, no flaws"? Unlikely, but the general feedback was that I was better than expected and they wanted more of what I was doing.
Feedback is always nice. If the feedback was negative, I wouldn't have pulled a "poor craftsman blaming his tools" as is quite popular. Instead, I would have learned from my mistakes and corrected myself. It was my learning from my mistakes in the past that allowed me to better myself.
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| YOU should gauge the teachers through observations and the suchlike (if you know what you're doing, that is). |
I don't need to watch someone bake a cake to know they are a bad chef when everyone is walking around going "the cake is horrible" to know that something has gone wrong. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| I have no problem with student feedback. I think it might be helpfull if teachers knew the catagories they are being assessed on so they can focus their lessons towards fulfilling those criteria. |
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Arthur Fonzerelli
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 2:17 am Post subject: |
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| holy crap!!! Gord with a special appearance.... |
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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 5:03 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry to lazy to look on a map, but it was stated that Daegu U isn't in Daegu, so what is the name of its location? Almost took a job at a some U some 5 years ago about an hour outside of Daegu. Curious. |
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nolin nae
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 5:28 am Post subject: |
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| Yeah, the university is outside of the city limits. It's about an hour from downtown Daegu by bus, but you can get to the boundary of the city in about 15 minutes. The town nearest the university is Hayang. |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| A clean morning to you too Nolin Nae, why the signiture??? |
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nolin nae
Joined: 23 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| "������ ��ħ" is the slogan for ������ (see my avatar). ������ contains �ƽ��Ķ��, which the makers claim reduces the hangover normally associated with drinking soju. hence the clean morning. perhaps a bit of false advertizing. i tend to believe you have a clean morning after drinking soju because you don't wake up until the afternoon. so maybe a better slogan would be "������ ��ħ, ���������!" |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| nolin nae wrote: |
| Yeah, the university is outside of the city limits. It's about an hour from downtown Daegu by bus, but you can get to the boundary of the city in about 15 minutes. The town nearest the university is Hayang. |
There are two campuses, the older/smaller one is downtown, the newer one has the English language programs and is out in the country. Huge, very nice place, lots of grass, fresh air and open space. |
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Kyrei
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:48 am Post subject: Re: Yes |
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| Yes, foreign instructors do much of the heavy lifting. Yes, most of them would not be entitled to "Professor" status in their own country. |
I beg to disagree. The term "professor" is defined as A) i) a college or university teacher who ranks above associate professor ii) a teacher or instructor or B) one who professes (obvious to some extent). See the link below for details. An associate professor is college or univesity teacher who ranks between assistant professor and professor. (Ahhh, this is getting tiring.) An assistant professor is one who ranks above at college or university teacher and under an associate professor. And so on...
I had professors at my university with M.A. degrees and they were called "professor" while the PhD. holders were "Dr." Now, if the school that I choose to work at entitles me with 'professor' then I have no problem with that. My title is actually "chobing kyosu" which is rather hard to translate - lets say "visiting professor" which is close enough. I have an M.A. in Applied Linguistics so I guess I would qualify for that, by the standards I grew up with. Any problems out there with that?
Kyrei
Dictionary.com for 'professor' |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: For Chingu71 |
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[quote="Gord"]
If one student is complaining the teacher is horribly unprepared and does nothing but talk to themselves all class while the other 49 disagree, then one can see it for what the response was. However, if half the class says "horribly unprepared" and the other half says "does not give opportunity to practice", then you can see there are issues that need to be address immediately.
I have no problem with these type of evaluations if the instructor is informed. It's when the management won't tell the teacher what the complaints are that problems arise.
If all they tell you is, "there have been several complaints about your teaching", but then won't elaborate on what the complaints are, they just give you some general crap about, "class is boring" or "you need to be more active" in class. Then you really have no hope of addressing the complaints and adjusting things in your classes.
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Joo Rip Gwa Rhhee
Joined: 25 May 2003
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| Textbook: The textbook is being revised. All instructors were asked to be involved and one was chosen from the four who expressed interest. All other instructors have been asked for input and many have offered their opinions. Anyone who has been involved in materials production would tell you that you can’t have 26 authors of 1 text. |
If your school has a bad text book –then it is your schools fault. With all the commercial stuff out there there is no excuse for having a bad textbook.
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| The paperwork can be a bit daunting for a new instructor, but most tell me it’s not a problem. We do proctor our exams on Saturday and this is made clear during the interview process. |
Fair enough but in view that your school does not offer a good contract why should anyone even slightly qualified work there? Or be willing to accept a job with so much paperwork and a cumbersome grading system. That is the schools fault.
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| We do offer a children’s program between semesters. 9 of our 26 instructors are involved teaching in the program and it is also an issue raised in the interview process. It is true that the last poster, Ken, had his contract offer reversed after he requested to be exempt from teaching children. Most instructors who have taught the children have positive comments about the program. |
Again your schools’ contract is not good and the fact that they are not willing to pay to get highly quailifed people is a tell tell sign that your school is not a particularly good place to be. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2003 1:03 am Post subject: |
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Foreign professors do most of the heavy lifting in terms of course loads, devoting themselves almost exclusively to teaching. Nevertheless, they tend to be treated as hired hands. They are compensated at a rate only 60 percent of their Korean peers.
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Do the Korean professors usually hold PhDs, or MAs? And how about their foreign colleagues, usually?
And in the context of the OP and English Conversation teaching, it's a stretch to call a guy with a BA (or even an MA/MEd) a "professor". |
I think it is a stretch to call anyone with a PHD from a Korean university a "professor." |
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