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Arthur Fonzerelli
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon
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 Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 2:22 am Post subject: For the Guys... Do you feel like an IMBECILE teaching Kindy? |
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That's why I quit 2 years ago... I felt like it was a woman's job.... I lost respect for myself as I was trying to make these kindy kids speak English as they ignored me....
thankfully I picked up this uni gig... |
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osangrl
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
Location: osan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 3:11 am Post subject: |
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No offense, but what is the point to that post.
Congratulations dude, you have a University job, there feel better now. Is that what you needed to hear? big deal so do alot of us.  |
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The Bobster
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| I felt like it was a woman's job.... |
As with, say, fine cuisine cooking chefs, some of the most accomplished and excellent practitioners of kindergarten education that I have met have been male ... just another way of saying there is no such thing as "a woman's job," of course.
Probably what the Fonz means is that he himself did not feel he was very good at it, and that trying do the things that would have been necessary in order to be good at it would have made him do things and behave in ways that conflicted with his internalized gender stereotypes and ultimately made him feel less masculine (for whatever dumb reason).
I'm just guessing that's what he means, because it's usually what people mean when they say something silly like this. |
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busan_boy2000
Joined: 11 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 5:12 am Post subject: |
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Like totally yeah, Fonz, you clearly need to read more Foucault, your so confused...where have you been...gender roles are just a construct..blah blah blah.
I'm not sure if I would go as far to say that I feel imasculated teaching kindy, but I do feel like its futile. But take it easy on the Fonz, he makes a valid point if you look beyond the immediate flaw of his statement.
And I'll be the guy who says it - Ill jump on the gernade here. There are womens jobs in Korea, and there are mens jobs. Women teach kindy in Korea and men don't. Because of that Korean children will never take a male teacher as seriously as a female. To the men - your lying to youself if you think your hagwon would not replace you with a pretty female face from the west at the drop of a hat to teach your kindy, no matter how qualified you may be for the job. |
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Derrek
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 6:13 am Post subject: |
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I teach Kindy, and enjoy it.
I can't see how you would feel more satisfied teaching older people "conversational" English????
I have a lot of fun, and I actually try to educate my kids. My school says they like me, and I like my school. I am trying to find something other than teaching, but that's difficult, ya know.
Sure, I can't be comfortable doing this forever, but for now, I'm fine.
As for picking up a University gig... big fat hairy deal. If you have actual qualifications in English teaching (which I don't -- and many others don't who teach Univ.) then I might be impressed by you. Otherwise, you are just someone who tried and got a job in an area I haven't bothered to try yet.
You're nothing special. Quit pretending you are. This is English teaching in South Korea, by gosh!
Next, you'll want to be called a doctor. |
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Arthur Fonzerelli
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 6:17 am Post subject: |
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| osangrl wrote: |
No offense, but what is the point to that post.
Congratulations dude, you have a University job, there feel better now. Is that what you needed to hear? big deal so do alot of us. |
my point is most of these guys wouldn't do it in their home countries...why do they do it here?
is this not being a wh0re for a buck..i mean won? |
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osangrl
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
Location: osan
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| no your point is "look at me, look at me" i think im so great. Give it up. |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
Location: Changwon - 4964
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 6:23 am Post subject: |
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| No..I don't feel like a sissy. Its good fun and a laugh. |
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Arthur Fonzerelli
Joined: 22 Jan 2003
Location: Suwon
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 6:28 am Post subject: |
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| osangrl wrote: |
| no your point is "look at me, look at me" i think im so great. Give it up. |
c'mon give me the benefit of the doubt here?
I'm really curious about how guys feel about it because that's the only thing I hated about my hogwon job... |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 8:27 am Post subject: |
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is this not being a wh0re for a buck..i mean won?
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That describes most work in my opinion.
I tought kindy for a year and loved it, they were my best students and the bonds we formed were amazing. |
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Clutch Cargo
Joined: 28 Feb 2003
Location: Sim City 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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Kindie ESL teaching is, in many respects, the coal face of ESL. Sounds like you just couldn't hack it. Don't be so hard on yourself. It's in the past, and obviously you're a player now teaching a different age group and making a difference.
I'm teaching mostly kindie in this contract and am really enjoying it. I've been told by regular teachers and a couple of linguistics professors back home that if you can teach this age group (under 7 y.o) then it's a valuable experience for the teacher as the kids are at a developmental stage where many language acquisition structures are being formed. From 0-7 years is when the brain most easily learns languages so it's the ideal time to be developing a natural 'ear' for languages. This explains why they are so able to lap up the new vocabulary and sentence structure rules.
Sure there's a few songs and playing games involved in kindergaten teaching, but songs, chants and games are recommended for ESL students of all ages as they help to develop natural voiced rhythm and stress.
I've been offered another contract here teaching kindie but want to use what I've learned with a different age group of students and eventually end up in a university position.
I'm sorry your experience made you feel like a woman. The education field is dominated by women for some reason, especially language teaching. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 9:12 pm Post subject: |
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Its entirely possible to actually enjoy kindy teaching. You just have to put a lot into it and have a good workable plan. You have to actually like the kids as well- which I do. they brighten up my day far more than the older kids.
Sounds like you mayba had a bad attitude " I'm above all this stuff".... |
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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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| This is the one area I haven't taught in Korea, but I imagine a lot of the work is in the prep. time for each class. I also can imagine that the Kindy is staffed with lots of young pretty Univeristy graduated co-eds who do most of the prep anyways. I wouldn't want to work a a kindy, but I don't think it would be like selling yourself short. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 2:26 am Post subject: |
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Weatherman: I teach 3 45-min Kinder classes each day. my prep time is about 10 mins per class, simply writing a lesson plan based on the clearly outlined syllabus, textbooks and my stock of games and activities. I loathe the cassettes with songs/ chants so tend to leave that to the Korean teachers.
Yep there are a couple of cute women grad assistants, but neither of them speak a word of english sadly...and I don't speak enough korean to get to know them... |
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crazylemongirl
Joined: 23 Mar 2003
Location: almost there...
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 3:11 am Post subject: |
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actually the reasons men don't teach kindy back home have more to do with
a) false claims of child abuse
b) low salary
c) low status.
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| I felt like it was a woman's job.... |
some things never change.
CLG |
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