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Suwoner10
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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 Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: Korea Making A**hats of Themselves: Case #378,238 |
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Dongguk Files Suit Against Yale
By Kang Shin-who
Staff Reporter
Donggu University in Seoul has taken legal action to get compensation from Yale University for defamation caused by mistakes made by the U.S. school. Attorney Robert Weiner of the U.S. law firm Mcdermott Will & Emery filed a suit with Connecticut District Court on behalf of Dongguk, seeking damages of at least $50 million, Dongguk said.
Last year when fake degree scandal involving Shin Jeong-ah, former Dongguk University professor, erupted, Yale falsely confirmed the authenticity of Shin's degree in 2005. However, it backtracked its stance when the scandal erupted in 2007, saying its earlier confirmation of the doctorate degree through a fax message was a forgery.
Shin's fake diploma scandal swept Korea last year, tied with her improper relationship with a former presidential policy planner for the Roh Moo-hyun administration and their alleged mismanagement of art funds.
To apologize for the mistake, Yale University President Richard C. Levin sent a letter at the beginning of the year to Dongguk University president Oh Young-kyo.
Also, the head of Yale University said in the letter he has directed his school to implement new protocol for verifying graduate degrees. |
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2008/03/117_21421.html
SO despite a Korean forging a document and faxing it to Dongguk, they are suing Americans for some reason or another. |
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Suwoner10
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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Suwoner10
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: |
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| I wonder if LoneStar sued in Korea for getting it's reputation sullied, what would happen. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007
Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Oh my gosh, this is sooooo Korea!
Hahahhhaa!
Someone is trying to cover their butt at that uni by passing the blame on a foreigner. I bet Yale never verified a thing. It was probably all faked from here.
Read that quote closely:
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| Yale falsely confirmed the authenticity of Shin's degree in 2005. However, it backtracked its stance when the scandal erupted in 2007, saying its earlier confirmation of the doctorate degree through a fax message was a forgery. |
How can Yale, "backtrack its stance" when they never confirmed the document to being with? This thing was a forgery! Not something provided by Yale! Duh!
This is nothing more than a Korean taking advantage of Yale's fax system by making a fake (probably from a fake number) and passing it off as a Yale MA, and the Korean school getting burned. Yale sent a corgil, "We're sorry this happened, and we'll change our procedures..." letter, and this ends up getting them sued.
Korea takes it as an admission of guilt by Yale, when it was ENTIRELY a KOREAN illegal act and MISTAKE BY KOREAN OFFICIALS to begin with! This appears to never have involved the Yale office originally -- they are guilty only of being a prestigeous university that some cheating Korean tried to fake he was a part of.
And Koreans call this an "admission of guilt?"
Ha.... sooooo Korea! The sad thing is that if this court case were in Korea, the Korean would win. No doubt about it. Lonestar already proves this. |
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PaperTiger
Joined: 31 May 2005
Location: Ulaanbataar
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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I hope they push it further so that the US media has some headlines in large print about how corrupt and unabashedly stupid and incompetent Korean bureaucracies are.
Do it. |
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Suwoner10
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| bassexpander wrote: |
| Yale sent a corgil, "We're sorry this happened, and we'll change our procedures..." letter, and this ends up getting them sued. |
Exactly. Likely Yale aren't stewing and fretting over some forged fax NOT sent out several years prior, but in order to respond with character, they sent out some letter anyway--and Koreans, looking to pounce on anything that will make themselves look less like lying, cheating, boorish peasants, turn around and sue because Yale gave them the "pat on the head" apology letter. Priceless.
The great thing out of all this is despite Yale being an old Uni, I had a student who went there tell me they are EXTREMELY high-tech in their infrastructure, so I am guessing because of this lawsuit, the truth behind this mystery fax lie will be uncovered. It's data after all, therefore can be traced. So now Dongguk Uni will get another dose of egg on their faces. Unbelievable.
Korea Sparkling! |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:06 pm Post subject: |
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Read the BBC article you knuckleheads:
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When suspicions about her credentials arose two years later Dongguk again contacted Yale. This time the US institution said Ms Shin had not graduated there and claimed the 2005 fax was forged.
Yale officials later admitted the fax had been sent by mistake and apologised. |
I love how everybody is coming to all these conclusions about Koreans over a false premise. The Korea Herald article was poorly written though, making it totally unclear. And then everybody pounces... |
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Saxiif
Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:16 pm Post subject: |
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| If Yale fucked up and said that someone got a PhD there who didn't then they deserve to get sued. |
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Suwoner10
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Read the BBC article you knuckleheads:
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When suspicions about her credentials arose two years later Dongguk again contacted Yale. This time the US institution said Ms Shin had not graduated there and claimed the 2005 fax was forged.
Yale officials later admitted the fax had been sent by mistake and apologised. |
I love how everybody is coming to all these conclusions about Koreans over a false premise. The Korea Herald article was poorly written though, making it totally unclear. And then everybody pounces... |
Actually, you are the dope.
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"Yale regrets that Dongguk University has filed suit against a fellow institution of higher learning regarding the fraudulent actions of Shin Jeong-ah, who was hired before an inquiry about her credentials was made to Yale," Yale said in a statement Wednesday.
"The university has apologized to Dongguk for the administrative error that delayed the discovery of her fraud. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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My point was the fax was not a forgery, and yet everybody on this thread is castigating Koreans based on that premise.
Ah, it's frustrating. People come up with a reason why the Koreans are wrong, and I show that it is based on their misunderstanding of the situation. So do they respond to my loving, beneficent education with thanks? No, they call me a dope. Sigh. Patience, Lord. |
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Suwoner10
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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My point was the fax was not a forgery, and yet everybody on this thread is castigating Koreans based on that premise.
Ah, it's frustrating. People come up with a reason why the Koreans are wrong, and I show that it is based on their misunderstanding of the situation. So do they respond to my loving, beneficent education with thanks? No, they call me a dope. Sigh. Patience, Lord. |
knucklehead...dope...get it?
OK, you are picking nits with the forgery point, when the larger question is they hired this broad before any inquiry was made. So yes, I am judging why Koreans are wrong, whatever the details. Ultimately, I know that Yale has integrity (which is why Koreans claw tooth and nail to get in there), and Dongguk does not, and eventually things will play out. All I has to do was click the latest story on this situation to find out things are already unravelling by the quote I posted above. You can read tese things like a book if you have any understanding of Korean ways and practices. |
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billybrobby
Joined: 09 Dec 2004
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
My point was the fax was not a forgery, and yet everybody on this thread is castigating Koreans based on that premise.
Ah, it's frustrating. People come up with a reason why the Koreans are wrong, and I show that it is based on their misunderstanding of the situation. So do they respond to my loving, beneficent education with thanks? No, they call me a dope. Sigh. Patience, Lord. |
knucklehead...dope...get it?
OK, you are picking nits with the forgery point, when the larger question is they hired this broad before any inquiry was made. So yes, I am judging why Koreans are wrong, whatever the details. Ultimately, I know that Yale has integrity (which is why Koreans claw tooth and nail to get in there), and Dongguk does not, and eventually things will play out. All I has to do was click the latest story on this situation to find out things are already unravelling by the quote I posted above. You can read tese things like a book if you have any understanding of Korean ways and practices. |
I figured you'd say i was splitting hairs about the forgery bit, but this entire thread is based on that idea so it's important. Overall, Yale's got integrity, but they definitely slipped up when they A. sent a fax confirming the lady then B. claimed it was a forgery. Do they deserve to get sued? Seeing as they already hired the lady, it's a tough call. I'm against lawsuits in general.
At any rate, you can't start a thread based on a premise and then, when it turns out to be false, just say "well Koreans are bad anyways, let's not split hairs." |
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Suwoner10
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:33 am Post subject: |
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| billybrobby wrote: |
My point was the fax was not a forgery, and yet everybody on this thread is castigating Koreans based on that premise.
Ah, it's frustrating. People come up with a reason why the Koreans are wrong, and I show that it is based on their misunderstanding of the situation. So do they respond to my loving, beneficent education with thanks? No, they call me a dope. Sigh. Patience, Lord. |
knucklehead...dope...get it?
OK, you are picking nits with the forgery point, when the larger question is they hired this broad before any inquiry was made. So yes, I am judging why Koreans are wrong, whatever the details. Ultimately, I know that Yale has integrity (which is why Koreans claw tooth and nail to get in there), and Dongguk does not, and eventually things will play out. All I has to do was click the latest story on this situation to find out things are already unravelling by the quote I posted above. You can read tese things like a book if you have any understanding of Korean ways and practices. |
I figured you'd say i was splitting hairs about the forgery bit, but this entire thread is based on that idea so it's important. Overall, Yale's got integrity, but they definitely slipped up when they A. sent a fax confirming the lady then B. claimed it was a forgery. Do they deserve to get sued? Seeing as they already hired the lady, it's a tough call. I'm against lawsuits in general.
At any rate, you can't start a thread based on a premise and then, when it turns out to be false, just say "well Koreans are bad anyways, let's not split hairs." |
Fair enough. But no matter the details, I'm pretty sure I'd side 100% of the time in a case of a hundreds of years-old institution whose cornerstone IS integrity, vs. some scandal involving K-forgery, bonking politicians, and a K-Uni that hires people before any of the checking/faxing took place.
Big picture, it's crooks filing a lawsuit against Mother Theresa. |
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markhan
Joined: 02 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: |
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Fair enough. But no matter the details, I'm pretty sure I'd side 100% of the time in a case of a hundreds of years-old institution whose cornerstone IS integrity, vs. some scandal involving K-forgery, bonking politicians, and a K-Uni that hires people before any of the checking/faxing took place.
Big picture, it's crooks filing a lawsuit against Mother Theresa. |
You must be indeed a moron.
Do you know the full story? The Korean university in this case, Dongguk University, took a severe pounding from, netizens to mass media, virtually everyone including me for their stupidity for hiring a forgerer. And, Yale University initially blamed, albeit indirectly, just as you did, on the incompetency of Dongguk staff.
But alas! Upon deeper research, Yale did send a fax confirming that Miss Shin Jeong-ah graduated from Yale. Although Yale did apology for their mistake, Dongguk University will never recover their good standing in Korea.
In spite of all the evidence to contrary and the fact that Yale did indeed gave apology, it seems you just cannot overcome your prejudice and thickheadness. |
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Pyongshin Sangja
Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: I love baby!
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:42 am Post subject: |
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| institution whose cornerstone IS integrity |
And ruling the world through a secret society allied with Lizard people from outer space, the Queen of England and the Nazi moonbase. |
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