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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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 Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:07 pm Post subject: training a new teacher...boss won't pay me. |
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Hi all.
So my contract at my school is finished. But the new teacher couldn't come until Friday, so I'm working a few extra teaching days for 2 man won an hour. On Friday, I have no classes, but the boss wants me to come in and train the new teacher, plus show him the apartment and basically orient him on his first day in Korea. I have no problem helping a newbie, but my boss is NOT paying me for this day.
I worked a year for him and did a good job overall; I was never sick, didn't complain, students loved me (most anyway), etc. But I feel a bit insulted by not getting paid my last day. I mentioned he should pay me Friday as I'm saving him time, and he kind of laughed it off as a joke.
Maybe it's not a big deal, but it sure rubs me the wrong way. I think at this point it's not even about the money but about pride and self respect, and not letting my boss get one last scam over on me. Any tactical advice? Should I play hardball or just let it slide? thanks in advance.
PS: I already have my plane ticket (e-ticket) and a new apartment all lined up, so I'm not sure how bad he could screw me over if he felt the urge to. |
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Bibbitybop
Joined: 22 Feb 2006
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Don't do it.
Or don't train the new teacher, just cruise around Seoul drinking and talk some shop while you are at it. |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: |
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Otherside
Joined: 06 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 1:34 am Post subject: |
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Has your boss paid you for your contract? Severance/final salary etc.
What exactly does he hold over you?
Where the BEEP does he get off expecting you to do this on your time for free? You are already helping him out by working those extra days. I'd tell him your time is valuable and you should be compensated. Or perhaps ask your boss to help you on Saturday with moving apartments and running whatever errands you need to do. When he laughs that off as a joke, pay him in kind? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: |
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but the boss wants me to come in and train the new teacher, plus show him the apartment and basically orient him on his first day in Korea. I have no problem helping a newbie, but my boss is NOT paying me for this day.
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What does 'train the new teacher' mean? Show him/her where the teacher's manuals and the photocopier are?
And you expect to be paid to show the new tenant where the apt is, how to work the thermostat and washing machine? Point out the bus routes and location of grocery stores?
Why does the phrase 'money-grubbing chisler' keep circling around my head? |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:29 am Post subject: |
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but the boss wants me to come in and train the new teacher, plus show him the apartment and basically orient him on his first day in Korea. I have no problem helping a newbie, but my boss is NOT paying me for this day.
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What does 'train the new teacher' mean? Show him/her where the teacher's manuals and the photocopier are?
And you expect to be paid to show the new tenant where the apt is, how to work the thermostat and washing machine? Point out the bus routes and location of grocery stores?
Why does the phrase 'money-grubbing chisler' keep circling around my head? |
That's funny, the phrase 'lubed-up sheep' keeps circling around in my head. So I guess the other two posters who also don't think it's right are "money-grubbing chislers" too? Do you like working for free? (yes, work=time=work)
Could I call you and you can come in and do it, just out of the kindness of your own kind heart? I guess your time isn't valuble, so why not? Anyway, you don't really know the context or the boss, but thanks for the input.
I'll be really busy that day. Anyway, I negotiated my way out of it. Luckily the new teacher showed up today so I was able to help him out and you know "show him where the teacher's manuals and photocopiers are" and stuff like that.  As for the other stuff, I gave the newbie my number so we could meet on a friend basis when I have more time. |
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I-am-me
Joined: 21 Feb 2006
Location: Hermit Kingdom
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:06 am Post subject: |
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Just curious; did you get your pension and did you go to the tax office to see if he paid your taxes or is he waiting for you to leave and then keep any return due you?  |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:22 am Post subject: |
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| Mix1 wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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but the boss wants me to come in and train the new teacher, plus show him the apartment and basically orient him on his first day in Korea. I have no problem helping a newbie, but my boss is NOT paying me for this day.
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What does 'train the new teacher' mean? Show him/her where the teacher's manuals and the photocopier are?
And you expect to be paid to show the new tenant where the apt is, how to work the thermostat and washing machine? Point out the bus routes and location of grocery stores?
Why does the phrase 'money-grubbing chisler' keep circling around my head? |
That's funny, the phrase 'lubed-up sheep' keeps circling around in my head. So I guess the other two posters who also don't think it's right are "money-grubbing chislers" too? Do you like working for free? (yes, work=time=work)
Could I call you and you can come in and do it, just out of the kindness of your own kind heart? I guess your time isn't valuble, so why not? Anyway, you don't really know the context or the boss, but thanks for the input.
I'll be really busy that day. Anyway, I negotiated my way out of it. Luckily the new teacher showed up today so I was able to help him out and you know "show him where the teacher's manuals and photocopiers are" and stuff like that. As for the other stuff, I gave the newbie my number so we could meet on a friend basis when I have more time. |
I'm bi-uncertain about this prob. If the boss expected a training seminar, I would say 'pfft! Riiiight.' But if he just wanted you to meet the guy and give him your two cents about the deal, then I would consider that okay.
I'd buy some beer for us and take him on a tour of the copier, the classrooms, etc., and then walk over to the apartment and show him the place, then my bedroom, my bed, my stuffed animals, my photo album of my friends, then ...... |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:27 am Post subject: |
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| Just curious; did you get your pension and did you go to the tax office to see if he paid your taxes or is he waiting for you to leave and then keep any return due you? |
Or is he waiting to report the OP for working illegally when the OP complains about not getting his money? (That's if the OP's here on an E-visa.) |
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ED209
Joined: 17 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: |
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So your one year contract has finished. Have you checked the dates on your ARC, when does it expire? If it has expired, you can't just work a few extra days even if you want to. And don't ever trust what your boss tells you about immigration laws.
If however your ARC allows a few more days just tell your boss any lame excuse that pops into your head, immigration interview, the police want to talk to you, you have to visit your embassy to see if you are still a citizen of your own country, go to the doctor to see if you still have AIDS.... |
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yingwenlaoshi
Joined: 12 Feb 2007
Location: ... location, location!
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 6:59 am Post subject: |
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Meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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jay-shi
Joined: 09 May 2004
Location: On tour
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 7:19 am Post subject: |
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| Bibbitybop wrote: |
Don't do it.
Or don't train the new teacher, just cruise around Seoul drinking and talk some shop while you are at it. |
I second that. Not exactly digging in your heels and saying you won't work without cash in hand. Tell your boss you want the new teacher to feel welcome and that you should take him out to dinner and introduce him to Korean culture, 1st place, 2nd place kind of thing. Tell your boss that you need money from him to do this. You'd be helping out a newbie and getting a few free outings for free. I've done this over 10 times in over four years and the boss has always given me 100k won to do it. Usually it happened over the weekend but was still very enjoyable. Sometimes I came home with extra cash in hand, other times I overspent it but it was worth it. My school is looking for a new teacher so I might have the pleasure to do it again soon  . |
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Netz
Joined: 11 Oct 2004
Location: a parallel universe where people and places seem to be the exact opposite of "normal"
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| caniff wrote: |
| Mix1 wrote: |
| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
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but the boss wants me to come in and train the new teacher, plus show him the apartment and basically orient him on his first day in Korea. I have no problem helping a newbie, but my boss is NOT paying me for this day.
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What does 'train the new teacher' mean? Show him/her where the teacher's manuals and the photocopier are?
And you expect to be paid to show the new tenant where the apt is, how to work the thermostat and washing machine? Point out the bus routes and location of grocery stores?
Why does the phrase 'money-grubbing chisler' keep circling around my head? |
That's funny, the phrase 'lubed-up sheep' keeps circling around in my head. So I guess the other two posters who also don't think it's right are "money-grubbing chislers" too? Do you like working for free? (yes, work=time=work)
Could I call you and you can come in and do it, just out of the kindness of your own kind heart? I guess your time isn't valuble, so why not? Anyway, you don't really know the context or the boss, but thanks for the input.
I'll be really busy that day. Anyway, I negotiated my way out of it. Luckily the new teacher showed up today so I was able to help him out and you know "show him where the teacher's manuals and photocopiers are" and stuff like that. As for the other stuff, I gave the newbie my number so we could meet on a friend basis when I have more time. |
I'm bi-uncertain about this prob. If the boss expected a training seminar, I would say 'pfft! Riiiight.' But if he just wanted you to meet the guy and give him your two cents about the deal, then I would consider that okay.
I'd buy some beer for us and take him on a tour of the copier, the classrooms, etc., and then walk over to the apartment and show him the place, then my bedroom, my bed, my stuffed animals, my photo album of my friends, then ...... |
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Why'd you stop there?
It sounded like you were just getting to the good part of the "training". |
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Mix1
Joined: 08 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| Just curious; did you get your pension and did you go to the tax office to see if he paid your taxes or is he waiting for you to leave and then keep any return due you? |
Interestingly enough, he never deducted pension. So apparently I got to be spared that whole ordeal, unless it's some other scam waiting in the wings.
As for taxes, he reported my salary at a lower rate than it actually was, and apparently has filed them, as he gave me the form (all in Korean). I can't decipher it all but will show it to a Korean friend or take it to the tax office I suppose. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some underhanded money scheme going on there as well.
All this underhanded stuff plus some other weird scams and lies was what led me to not want to work that one extra day for this guy, as he seems shadier by the day, and I'm just happy to be out of there.
But I'm done as of today, and am on a tourist visa and will be in Korea one more month to travel, relax, etc. !  |
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some waygug-in
Joined: 25 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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Training?!!!!!!!!!!!
Like handing the newbie a jar of vaseline and showing him/her the proper posture for bending over?
Sorry, I couldn't resist. |
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