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SURVEY - WHAT DO YOU THINK? TOP 5 HOGWONS IN KOREA
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Rue_Meridian



Joined: 31 Oct 2003
Location: Somewhere in the great beyond

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 12:03 am    Post subject: SURVEY - WHAT DO YOU THINK? TOP 5 HOGWONS IN KOREA Reply with quote

I am currently teaching here in Korea for a man who I think must be related to the facist dictator Stalin himself. I will probably finish this contract (if he doesn't continue to break it every bloody chance he gets Evil or Very Mad ) But hey, the one thing I have learned is to do MORE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH and not to believe a single word of the "what we have to offer" section of Job Posts. Anyway with that little rant aside I want to see what the populos (sp?) thinks of the Hagwons in this country (I mean, I have read a lot about CRAP schools but surely there must be a few good ones out there). I want to continue teaching in Korea but I must escape this regime of terror if I am to survive! Shocked
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katydid



Joined: 02 Feb 2003
Location: Here kitty kitty kitty...

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 1:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think since there are like 3 hagwans on every block, even if we tried a survey, it would not be an accurate representation of how the hagwans are here. I know...Lost Seoul (?) keeps a white and black list of hagwans. He might be the guy to PM if you really want to do your research. Also, don't be shy to ask other people here what they think about the hagwans they worked at.
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TECO



Joined: 20 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 2:54 am    Post subject: BERLITZ Reply with quote

Anyone here teaching for BERLITZ?

I personally despise the company and management but met some nice people teaching there.

Are the 2 renegade male teachers still there who refuse to wear their ties? LOL!!
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schwa



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: Yap

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 3:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Impossible question. Theres all shapes & sizes & they can change their stripes overnight. If youre jobhunting you winnow it down to the best on offer that suit your needs & question teachers there now. Dont underestimate your own influence on a scene either. A lot of jobs start out neutral & your input can sweeten or sour the deal.
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busan_boy2000



Joined: 11 Nov 2003

PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2003 6:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my limited experience in Korea so far and with Hagwons it seems like as long as they are franchised out to whover can afford to buy one, that it is next to impossible to judge. Pagoda for example seems to get high reviews but this can change from location to location.

Are there Hagwons that are run like, say, Starbucks - with area managers and a strict set of managment guidlines to follow ect? I don't know the answer - but imagine once a few start to run the whole franchise from a macro perspective and all that western bussiness managment/eco stuff we learned/experienced or maybe just heard about catches on in a big way here - inevitable - things will change.

But then where will the love be when that happens?
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kimchiqueen



Joined: 15 Oct 2003
Location: in the middle of somewhere

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My hogwan is the best. Been here for 2.5 years if that says anything...and I'm FIERCELY loyal to my boss. He and his wife are good people. It's a small town (Nonsan), small hogwan (I'm the only foreigner).
Granted, last minute class changes, and sometimes there are things that aggravate me, but I have 100% backing in EVERYTHING I do, and it's been proven time and time again. Perhaps it's because it's NOT franchised and impersonal...we all work together.
I'm a lucky girl.
Razz
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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sun Nov 30, 2003 6:55 pm    Post subject: To the OP.... Reply with quote

Please don't slander the good names of all us honest, decent fascists. Stalin was a COMMUNIST dictator....
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princess



Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: soul of Asia

PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 7:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ECC sure isn't one of them. I don't see how my friend has lasted at an ECC for 6 years. I was making more money in my second year than she was in her fifth year with an ECC branch.
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wormholes101



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: SURVEY - WHAT DO YOU THINK? TOP 5 HOGWONS IN KOREA Reply with quote

Rue_Meridian wrote:
I am currently teaching here in Korea for a man who I think must be related to the facist dictator Stalin himself....

Anyway with that little rant aside I want to see what the populos (sp?) thinks of the Hagwons in this country (I mean, I have read a lot about CRAP schools but surely there must be a few good ones out there).


As another poster mentioned, this is kind of an impossible question. If you want to find a good hagwon, you'd better try visiting it yourself and talking with the boss and employees there.
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Butterfly



Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait

PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 6:11 pm    Post subject: Re: SURVEY - WHAT DO YOU THINK? TOP 5 HOGWONS IN KOREA Reply with quote

Note how nobody will list a name and say that it is good because nomatter what hagwon you put up here, someone will come back and say the opposite. ECC is a classic, some have a great time at ECC others have the worst time, and of course much depends on the expectations and attitude of the teacher. It's endless and boring. At the end of the day you just have to take a chance, talk to the other teachers at the school, leave some room for your own 'feeling' about it and just get on with it. Some of it will just come down to luck. There is no failsafe method of securing a job in Korea.
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riverboy



Joined: 03 Jun 2003
Location: Incheon

PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 8:25 pm    Post subject: I'll never work at another Wonderland Reply with quote

Perhaps I should not be so hard on the Franchise, but I heard horror stories from all ove Korea. My former Wonderland(Pupyong in Incheon) Works the hell out if thier teachers. They have this silly volunteer clause which essentially says that you work free overtime.
The sinker, however, is the fact that they would not give me a good reference because my mother died and I left three months early. They were, in fact, punishing me because my friend, who was there for three years, wanted to leave becuase his mother came down with cancer and they fired him.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2003 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Note how nobody will list a name and say that it is good because nomatter what hagwon you put up here, someone will come back and say the opposite.

Aw, what the hell- I'll do it- I've done it before on the board and in PMs:

JLS- Jeong Sang Language Academy (translates as apex or summit)

Sure not everyone was a happy camper there 100% of the time- I had my ups and downs with management at varying times- but in all honesty they treat you decently there- if you're fair with them they're more than fair with you. I think they'd easily make the top 10, probably the top 5, and possibly the top 3 as far as hagwons go. At least that how it was from 96-2001 (I worked at all three of their branches 98 to 2001, but also knew everyone who worked there in 96/97). I've lost touch them but haven't heard any horror stories that make me think things have gone way down hill.

I heard they've got an ad up on the Teachers Wanted board but I don't know as I haven't checked that board in years and years.

http://www.ijls.co.kr

And there's another reason why you might not see many of these threads- they could easily be hijacked by a represntative of a school or a recruiter to 'buff up' their schools or to get some free advertising.
(and no- I'm not a recruiter for JLS- don't ask me about them, I have no up-to-date info- if you want more info, go to the website).
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Lost Seoul



Joined: 10 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

katydid wrote:
I think since there are like 3 hagwans on every block, even if we tried a survey, it would not be an accurate representation of how the hagwans are here. I know...Lost Seoul (?) keeps a white and black list of hagwans. He might be the guy to PM if you really want to do your research. Also, don't be shy to ask other people here what they think about the hagwans they worked at.


All the info I have on hagwons is available at the web address below.

www.hagwonreport.com
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crusher_of_heads



Joined: 23 Feb 2007
Location: kimbop and kimchi for kimberly!!!!

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

princess wrote:
ECC sure isn't one of them. I don't see how my friend has lasted at an ECC for 6 years. I was making more money in my second year than she was in her fifth year with an ECC branch.


How does ECC stand up now?
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twg



Joined: 02 Nov 2006
Location: Getting some fresh air...

PostPosted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

crusher_of_heads wrote:
princess wrote:
ECC sure isn't one of them. I don't see how my friend has lasted at an ECC for 6 years. I was making more money in my second year than she was in her fifth year with an ECC branch.


How does ECC stand up now?

It's a franchise. They're all different. What's true for one won't be true for another.

All hagwon owners are shady bastards. They may be nice guys at times, but you're dealing with the Korean equivalent of a used car salesman.

The only thing you can do is ask a couple of the foreign teachers there to email you with the good and the bad of the place because over the phone they always have the boss breathing on the back of their neck.
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