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Easter Clark



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funkdafied wrote:
My dad is a buddhist, so I was kinda raised up in it, and have been more sympathetic to it than to any other religion over the years. But as I've grown and matured, become more sophisticated and incisive in my thinking, I've realised, perhaps sadly, that it's all nonsense, just like all the other fairy tales. Reality is all there is. No one can tell you anything relevant about how to best live your life except yourself. And if you really must insist on having "gods", I suggest you start with Carles Darwin and Albert Einstein. Keep it REAL holmes ... Laughing Laughing Laughing



Where exactly is the fairy tale? Your post tells me that you don't have a clear understanding of Buddhism. Buddhism isn't exaclty a religion...it's a way of life. It stresses practicing daily the teachings of compassion, non-judgment, and mindfulness...living in the moment fully and completely so that you can add to this world (this world, and everything in it, being another aspect of YOU).

However, even Buddha said not to listen to him or any other teacher. The best teacher makes himself obsolete! And there aren't any "gods" per se in Buddhism, rather, it celebrates the god-nature of everyone and everything. Albert Einstein is no more or less of a Buddha than you or me. There is no difference between the object and your perceiving it.

Metta!
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well said Clark ...

A religion? A way of life? *shrugs*

One of my good "Buddhist" friends regards it as a "mind-science".

Indeed all we EVER have is the NOW. How clearly & deeply do we experience it?

There is no past, there is no future.

Waiting for Funky Manson to respond.

Hmmmm ... most interesting.


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Yaya



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the lavish ceremonies that certain Buddhist groups hold were NOT from the words of the Buddha himself, I believe. The Buddha never talked of reincarnation and the like, so there are few fairy tales to believe about Buddhism.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the lavish ceremonies that certain Buddhist groups hold were NOT from the words of the Buddha himself, I believe.

The Buddha never talked of reincarnation and the like, so there are few fairy tales to believe about Buddhism.


Hi Ya-ta ...

Care to explain?

Are you referring to the emergence of Mahayana, shortly before the time of Christ? Idea

Based on most peoples understanding, Theravadin was indeed the "original".

There are indeed "14" questions which it is said the Buddha simply would not answer. The official response he gave was that they were not conducive to the religious life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteen_unanswerable_questions

For a more "authoritative" response to yor question, you might like to pop by here:

http://www.lioncity.net/buddhism/


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Yaya



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, the Buddha did talk of reincarnation, my bad. Perhaps that is a fairy tale that one chooses to believe in or not.

Anyway, the fact that so many in the West are embracing Buddhism is a telling sign of Buddhism's power.
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yaya wrote:
Ok, the Buddha did talk of reincarnation, my bad. Perhaps that is a fairy tale that one chooses to believe in or not.


You familiar with PASCAL's WAGER?

An application in Buddhist scripture
The decision-theoretic approach to Pascal's Wager appears explicitly in the 6th Century BC Buddhist Kalama Sutta, in which the Buddha argues that regardless of whether the difficult concepts of rebirth and kamma are valid, acting as if they are brings tangible rewards here and now.

Also known as a "lesser truth" in Buddhism, a religious concept thought to bear fruit in the here and now rather than dealing with the hereafter, or eternity.


http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Kalama_Sutta

Yaya wrote:
Anyway, the fact that so many in the West are embracing Buddhism is a telling sign of Buddhism's power.


Yes, my understanding is that karma & reincarnation go hand in hand.

Newton "discovered" these eternal truths in his laws of thermodynamics.

i.e.

1) Nothing is either created nor destroyed, but rather simply transformed ( REINCARNATION )

2) For every ACTION there is a RE-ACTION of equal yet opposite effect ( KARMA )

Another key to Buddhism is the theory of codependent arising ( PATYIKA SAMUPADA )
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependent_arising

European elite have long known Buddhism stood to have a mjor impact in the west.

It's one reason i believe why the Nazis hijacked both 1) the SWASTIKA, & 2) the term ARYAN.

It may also be key as to why the west is presently being flooded with radicalized Muslims Idea

Metta.
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daemyann



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easter Clark wrote:

...you don't have a clear understanding of Buddhism. Buddhism is...


Please tell us more about the one and only form of Buddhism...;/
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Darkness



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Torrent for that movie:

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3320966/Why_Has_Bodhi-Dharma_Left_for_the_East__(1989_DVDRip_South_Korea
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Easter Clark



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemyann wrote:
Easter Clark wrote:

...you don't have a clear understanding of Buddhism. Buddhism is...


Please tell us more about the one and only form of Buddhism...;/


I can't tell you anything if you don't want to hear it...when the student is ready, the teacher will appear!

Metta! Smile
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igotthisguitar



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

daemyann wrote:
Easter Clark wrote:

...you don't have a clear understanding of Buddhism. Buddhism is...

Please tell us more about the one and only form of Buddhism...;/


Hello Daemyann ...

If you yourself have any knowledge of Buddhism in all its incarnate forms, please do share.

It's in good part what this thread has been designed to accomodate.

Sadly, Funkafied's comments often appear to be the deluded product of the 3 poisons: IGNORANCE, HATRED & GREED.

He makes little effort to divorce himself from his EGO, & thus ...

Metta.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No thought, no reflection, no analysis, no cultivation, no intention; let it settle itself.... -Tilopa
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Bingo



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I meet a Westerner who tells me he is a Buddhist, my immediate response is Rolling Eyes I don't know why, white Buddhists just come across as a bit eccentric to me. "Yes, well I'm a Buddhist and blah blah blah."

I'm sure that if we could magically resuscitate ole Buddha every eight year old would be immensely entertained at his ignorance on any given topic. I can just imagine the giggles at the back of the class as he explained the nature of the sun and stars etc. Very Happy
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Easter Clark



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bingo wrote:

I'm sure that if we could magically resuscitate ole Buddha every eight year old would be immensely entertained at his ignorance on any given topic.


Not sure what you mean by that...although a wise man once said that true knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing. Or to put it another way (and I'm paraphrasing), the scholar learns something every day while the wise man unlearns something every day. So in that respect I think the Buddha would take your comment on his ignorance as a compliment!

P.S. What's wrong with being a bit eccentric? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A Buddhist approaches a guy selling hotdogs on the street. The vendor says, 'How can I help you?' The Buddhist says, 'Make me one with everything.' Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Monk-Led Protests Show Buddhist Activism



Buddhist monks from Tibet gather for a candlelight vigil in downtown Taipie, Taiwan, Monday, March 17, 2008.
(AP Photo/David Longstreath)

Buddhism teaches kindness even towards one's bitterest enemy and has done so for more than 2,500 years. However occasional eruptions of violence have become increasingly common in Asia's Buddhist societies as they struggle against foreign dominations and oppressive regimes.

By Denis D. Gray
Associated Press Writer / March 29, 2008
BANGKOK, Thailand�Buddhist monks hurling rocks at Chinese in Tibet, or peacefully massing against Myanmar's military, can strike jarring notes.

These scenes run counter to Buddhism's philosophy of shunning politics and embracing even bitter enemies -- something the faith has adhered to, with some tumultuous exceptions, through its 2,500-year history.

But political activism and occasional eruptions of violence have become increasingly common in Asia's Buddhist societies as they variously struggle against foreign domination, oppressive regimes, social injustice and environmental destruction.

More monks and nuns are moving out of their monasteries and into slums and rice paddies
-- and sometimes into streets filled with tear gas and gunfire.


"In modern times, preaching is not enough. Monks must act to improve society, to remove evil," says Samdhong Rinpoche, prime minister of the Tibetan government-in-exile and a high-ranking lama.

"There is the responsibility of every individual, monks and lay people, to act for the betterment of society," he told The Associated Press in Dharmsala, India, discussing protests in Tibet this month that were initiated by monks.

In widespread protests over the past three weeks, crimson-robed monks -- some charging helmeted troops and throwing rocks -- have joined with ordinary citizens who unfurled Tibetan flags and demanded independence from China. Beijing's official death toll from the rioting in Lhasa is 22, but the exiled government of the Dalai Lama says 140 Tibetans were killed there and in Tibetan communities in western China.

Bloodshed also stained last fall's pro-democracy uprising in Myanmar, dubbed the "Saffron Revolution" after the color of the robes of monks who led nonviolent protests against the country's oppressive military regime.

In Thailand, followers of a Buddhist sect took part in street demonstrations which led to the ouster of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra two years ago.

In Sri Lanka, the ultra-nationalist Jathika Hela Urumaya party, led by monks, has pushed for using brute force against the country's Tamil rebels. In 1959 a monk assassinated a prime minister over a law giving some protection to the Tamil language.

Indeed, the activism reflects another side of Buddhist history. Despite the faith's image of passivity, an aggressive strain has long existed, especially in the Mahayana school of Buddhism, practiced in Japan, Korea, China and Tibet.

The sohei, monks in Japan, fought pitched battles with one another and with secular clans for over 600 years until around 1600. China's Shaolin Temple, a martial arts center to this day, was allowed to retain warrior monks from the 7th century by emperors who sometimes used them to put down rebellions and banditry.

The monk Saya San became a national hero in the 1930s in Myanmar -- then Burma -- by leading a revolt. The British colonials hanged him after fielding 12,000 troops to suppress his peasant army.

The self-immolation of monk Thich Quang Duc on a Saigon street became an iconic image of protest against the Vietnam War.

Before China's takeover of Tibet in 1959, warrior monks sometimes wielded more power -- and weaponry -- than the army. Lhasa's Sera monastery, a hotbed of the recent protests, was particularly noted for its elite fighters, the "Dob-Dobs," who in 1947 took part in a rebellion that took 300 lives.

"Use peaceful means where they are appropriate, but where they are not appropriate, do not hesitate to resort to more forceful means," said the previous, now deceased Dalai Lama when Tibet fought the Chinese in the 1930s.

Christopher Queen, an expert on Buddhism at Harvard University, says the new trend among some of the world's 350 million faithful is expanding from individual spiritual liberation to attacking problems such as poverty and environmental blight that affect whole communities or nations.

Sri Lanka's Sarvodaya Shramadana, or "Mundane Awakening," provides everything from safe drinking water to basic housing in more than 11,000 poor villages. And in India, Buddhist groups are fighting for the rights of "the untouchables," the lowest caste.

Global and loosely affiliated, originating at the grass roots rather than atop religious hierarchies and more muscular than meditative, this movement is widely known as Engaged Buddhism.

"Engaged Buddhists are looking at the social, economic, and political causes of human misery in the world and organizing to address them. The role of social service and activism is clearly growing in all parts of the Buddhist world," Queen said in an interview.

While not immune to spilling blood, Queen says "the Buddhist tradition is rightly known for the systematic practice of nonviolence." That leads scholars to doubt it will turn to terrorism or sustained violence other than occasional spontaneous outbursts. They note that Buddhism doesn't advocate killing heretics or otherwise spreading the faith by force.

Indeed, the Dalai Lama has decried the recent violence while supporting peoples' rights to peaceful protest.
And Samdhong, the prime minister-in-exile, adds: "If (monks) want to fight, they have to disrobe and join the fighters."


http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2008/03/29/monk_led_protests_show_buddhist_activism/
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