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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Location: Jeolla province
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Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: |
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Hmm, seems kind of weird, so what I want to know is
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| The images they downloaded from the satellites provided confirmation the Chinese used agent provocateurs to start riots, which gave the PLA the excuse to move on Lhasa to kill and wound over the past week. |
what intercepted conversations do the British have that confirm this? Do they have images of the agents undressing in alleys or hi-fiving police officers?
Now it wouldn't surprise if it were true. Stage a riot now, take the short-term hit, but crush the resistance before they can stage something big in August.
Better now than 5 days before the opening ceremony.
However, they probably miscalculated how much info would leak out regarding the matter. Sure, they knew it would hit the free press, but they weren't counting on everything hitting the free press.
http://www.dailymail.com/News/200803230070
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| China lashed out Sunday at critics of its crackdown on Tibetan protesters, describing U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi as "habitually bad tempered'' while claiming the Western media serve those who want to smear the communist country. |
Way to keep the dialog clean, China! She already doesn't like you- do you really want to risk a boycott? |
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Saxiif

Joined: 15 May 2003 Location: Seongnam
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 9:26 pm Post subject: |
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| This sounds like nonsense to me. |
Friend, you didn't have to get any further in your reading than igotthisguitar's name for it to sound like nonsense. |
This.
I wouldn't put it past China to employ agents provacateur (sp?) but not right before the Olympics, the Chinese government is a lot of things but not stupid. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject: |
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The Chinese government is also very addicted to the idea of the population not rising up against their government. We already know the Chinese government has no problem with the people rising up against other governments, though. Just look at the reaction of both the population and the government after a Chinese pland and American plane collided.
IGTG: I'm completely done with you. You are not only out of your mind, but you are dishonest and a troll, to boot. |
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pugwall
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
The Chinese government is also very addicted to the idea of the population not rising up against their government. We already know the Chinese government has no problem with the people rising up against other governments, though. Just look at the reaction of both the population and the government after a Chinese pland and American plane collided.
IGTG: I'm completely done with you. You are not only out of your mind, but you are dishonest and a troll, to boot. |
I agree the Chinese government have no problem with people protesting outside Japanese supermarkets or going crazy outside the American embassy over the plane and the Belgrade embassy before that.
If things are going to change in China they will take time. Its only 30 years ago since they nearly wiped out their own culture and were living in fear of each other under the control of a complete madman. Things are changing and are getting better but what definitely doesn't need to happen is Western intervention and Olympic boycotts by bandwagon jumpers and people who don't even understand the history or issues at all. There are elements of the Westen press who really want to create another cold war dichotomy situation for whatever reason. |
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arjuna

Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Sources at British Spy Agency Confirm Tibetan Claims of Staged Violence
By Gordon Thomas
G2 Bulletin Mar 27, 2008
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/8-3-27/68095.html
LONDON�Britain's GCHQ, the government communications agency that electronically monitors half the world from space, has confirmed the claim by the Dalai Lama that agents of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, the PLA, posing as monks, triggered the riots that have left hundreds of Tibetans dead or injured.
GCHQ analysts believe the decision was deliberately calculated by the Beijing leadership to provide an excuse to stamp out the simmering unrest in the region, which is already attracting unwelcome world attention in the run-up to the Olympic Games this summer.
For weeks there has been growing resentment in Lhasa, Tibet's capital, against minor actions taken by the Chinese authorities.
Increasingly, monks have led acts of civil disobedience, demanding the right to perform traditional incense burning rituals. With their demands go cries for the return of the Dalai Lama, the 14th to hold the high spiritual office.
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igotthisguitar

Joined: 08 Apr 2003 Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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Foreign Diplomats Want "Unfettered Access" In Tibet: Official
BEIJING (AFP) - Foreign diplomats demanded unfettered access in Lhasa Saturday after authorities allowed them to visit the riot-torn city amid debate in Europe on a possible boycott of the Beijing Olympics opening ceremony.
Two weeks after protests in the Himalayan region turned deadly, diplomats from 15 embassies, including those of the United States, Britain, France and Japan, arrived in the Tibetan capital for a hastily arranged one-day tour.
"This visit is a good first step, but does not go far enough to meet the request for unfettered access," one Western diplomat in Beijing told AFP after being briefed on the trip.
"Obviously this has been a highly-managed visit."
Upon arrival to Lhasa Friday evening, the diplomats met with the chairman of Tibet's government Qiangba Puncog, visited wounded paramilitary police in hospital and chatted with ordinary Tibetans, he said.
On Saturday morning, the diplomats were allowed to visit the Jokhang Temple, one of Tibetan Buddhism's most sacred shrines, where monks converged on a government-arranged foreign media delegation on Wednesday and denounced China's rule of Tibet, he added.
"The chairman of Tibet reassured them (diplomats) that the monks would not be punished" for their Wednesday protest, the diplomat said.
China announced the trip late Thursday night, giving the diplomats only hours to prepare for the long flight to the Himalayan region.
"They will carry out on-the-spot investigation of the real facts of the ... serious and violent criminal incident," the foreign ministry said.
It said other countries sending diplomatic representatives on the trip included Australia, Brazil, Canada, Italy, Russia, Singapore, Spain and Tanzania.
India and Pakistan were also invited, but apparently declined due to the sensitivity of the Tibetan issue for China's close neighbours, other diplomats here said.
Western diplomats, who were expected back in Beijing late Saturday, were unlikely to comment on the trip until after they had briefed their respective governments, they said.
The ongoing unrest in Tibet began on March 10 to mark the anniversary of a failed 1959 uprising against Chinese rule, an event that saw the Dalai Lama -- who Friday called again for talks with Beijing -- to flee to India where he has since lived in exile.
Unrest erupted into widespread rioting in Lhasa on March 14, and spread to neighbouring Chinese provinces populated by Tibetans.
As China's crackdown escalated, so too has the response of the outside world.
At the start of two days of talks in Slovenia on Friday, EU foreign ministers were split on the idea of boycotting the Beijing Olympics opening ceremony over Tibet, but keen for China to open talks with the Dalai Lama.
"You can be sure that information on the trip is being passed to the foreign ministers at (the) meeting," one diplomat here said.
Beijing says rioters killed 18 innocent civilians and two police officers during the unrest.
Exiled Tibetan leaders have put the death toll from the Chinese crackdown at between 135 and 140, with another 1,000 people injured and many detained.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080329/world/china_unrest_tibet_rights_diplomats
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arjuna

Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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This may be true... or not.
But the US and the UK are not interested in "freeing" Tibet.
And the Dalai Lama is, at best, a politician.
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The Tibet Card
by Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich
Global Research, March 27, 2008
It seems that the US government excels at propaganda for it continues to win over the very people it has betrayed and caused to be killed; buying their trust, it offers a friendship that is only self-serving. Oblivious to the past havoc wreaked by the CIA in Tibet, the innocent gather around the storm, stare into the eye, ready to be sucked into it, says Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich.
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