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doc_ido

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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:47 am Post subject: Any advice on a weight training programme? |
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Hi all,
I've researched this topic a bit online, and am getting a lot of conflicting advice. I know there are a few serious wightlifters on here so here's your chance to help a beginner out.
There's a gym right on my way home from work, so I've decided to start a bit of strength training. I'm not looking to become a serious weightlifter or bodybuilder, my training goal is to increase strength and muscle mass a little. My question is about how best to utilise the (limited) time I have.
Ideally, I'd like to train Tue-Wed-Thu. Is this feasible, or would the four-day gap between training blocks be a big setback?
Secondly, I'd probably only be able to do 40-60 minute sessions. If I were to train three times a week, would it be better to concentrate on one area each time (thus giving an area only one high-intensity session a week), train the whole body more lightly, or do something else?
I'm OK with the nutritional side of things, and can get supplements etc. quite easily. Any advice would be much appreciated. |
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gmat

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BS.Dos.

Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Any advice on a weight training programme? |
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doc_ido wrote: |
Hi all,
I've researched this topic a bit online, and am getting a lot of conflicting advice. I know there are a few serious wightlifters on here so here's your chance to help a beginner out.
There's a gym right on my way home from work, so I've decided to start a bit of strength training. I'm not looking to become a serious weightlifter or bodybuilder, my training goal is to increase strength and muscle mass a little. My question is about how best to utilise the (limited) time I have.
Ideally, I'd like to train Tue-Wed-Thu. Is this feasible, or would the four-day gap between training blocks be a big setback?
Secondly, I'd probably only be able to do 40-60 minute sessions. If I were to train three times a week, would it be better to concentrate on one area each time (thus giving an area only one high-intensity session a week), train the whole body more lightly, or do something else?
I'm OK with the nutritional side of things, and can get supplements etc. quite easily. Any advice would be much appreciated. |
I'd say try and aim for about 90-minute sessions if possible, maybe 120-minutes if you can. 3 visits a week will be okay, but maybe do 4 visits every other week.
You say that you want to increase your strength and develop musle mass, well, I've always tried to work on two of the major muscle groups per session i.e. legs and chest, arms and back, shoulders and midrift etc with the first 20-minutes spent warming up doing cardio (treadmill, bike, stair-climber, cross-trainer, rowing etc).
In terms of strength and mass, you need to really focus on one or the other really as strength is usually associated with higher repetitions, say, sets of 10/12, while mass involves lifting heavier weights but for lower repitions (6/8 or 10 reps). Which ever you choose, aim for 3-sets and try and aim for about 3/4 different exercises/routines per muscle group.
There will probably be other posts saying do things differently, but whatever variations are suggested it'll probably involve something similar to what I've said above.
If you're really pushed for time and still want to buff-up, then do lots of sets of dips as these are excellent for a good upper-body workout as they work your chest, upper back, forearms, triceps and your traps. They're tough initially, but if you start with 3sets of 4/5 and then add one per set as you get better at them. |
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dcwm81
Joined: 18 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with what the last person wrote, but I just wanted to add that 40-60 min would still be ok if you weren't going to do any cardio. You could super set and do a couple exercises at a time. Minimize your rest time. Also, fill some of your rest time with abs. If you wanted to only do 3 times a week, maybe try one day chest and triceps, next day back, biceps, and shoulders, and third day legs. |
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flakfizer

Joined: 12 Nov 2004 Location: scaling the Cliffs of Insanity with a frayed rope.
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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Just be sure not to wear a smelly hat. |
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spliff

Joined: 19 Jan 2004 Location: Khon Kaen, Thailand
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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^Is the OP Canadian, I missed it if it was mentioned. |
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JustJohn

Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Location: Your computer screen
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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I only skimmed, but I didn't see anyone say the following:
It's fine to go just 3 days a week but 3 in a row is the worst possible way to do it.
You could do different parts different days but you'd only be working each part once a week, and that just isn't enough. If you want to actually gain muscle mass you really need to work each muscle group at least twice a week.
If you're going to do 3 days you should really do mon wed fri and do a whole body workout each day. However, you'll need more than 40 minutes. You might be able to get in a passable work out in 60 minutes but you'll have to be well organized and not be in a crowded gym.
It's not very common, but if you don't have much time the best thing for you might be to push it to 4 days but just 40 minutes. Upper body one day, lower body the next. Each muscle group gets hit twice a week. Much better than once a week. (mon tues thurs fri would be ideal) |
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garykasparov
Joined: 27 May 2007
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Any advice on a weight training programme? |
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doc_ido wrote: |
Hi all,
I've researched this topic a bit online, and am getting a lot of conflicting advice. I know there are a few serious wightlifters on here so here's your chance to help a beginner out.
There's a gym right on my way home from work, so I've decided to start a bit of strength training. I'm not looking to become a serious weightlifter or bodybuilder, my training goal is to increase strength and muscle mass a little. My question is about how best to utilise the (limited) time I have.
Ideally, I'd like to train Tue-Wed-Thu. Is this feasible, or would the four-day gap between training blocks be a big setback?
Secondly, I'd probably only be able to do 40-60 minute sessions. If I were to train three times a week, would it be better to concentrate on one area each time (thus giving an area only one high-intensity session a week), train the whole body more lightly, or do something else?
I'm OK with the nutritional side of things, and can get supplements etc. quite easily. Any advice would be much appreciated. |
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Captain Corea

Joined: 28 Feb 2005 Location: Seoul
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:09 pm Post subject: |
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JustJohn wrote: |
You could do different parts different days but you'd only be working each part once a week, and that just isn't enough. If you want to actually gain muscle mass you really need to work each muscle group at least twice a week
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Sorry man, but I am in total disagreement. I've trained with pros that do exactly what you say not to.
Very few people I know have the conditioning/genetics to be able to pull off training their entire body twice a week and make gains from it.
Add a heavy dose of drugs to the mix and you might be able to pull it off.. but baring that, I think once a week for most body parts is absolutely fine - how you train them though is the next step.
But hey, OP, gather all the opinions you want.. and then sort out what works for you. |
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Dome Vans Guest
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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I'd go with Just John here.
Three straight days is too much, unless you're doing separate muscles each day which can be a real pain. But you need time for your muscles to repair which usually takes slightly longer than a day.
I go Mon, Wed, and Fri or Sat, for two hours but this is equally split between aerobic and weights. If I had to pick one I'd go only for aerobic so the weights are an extra. I'm losing weight so therefore I'm losing muscle but that's ok by me. Doing 3 x reps of 10 or 12 is the way to go. After a couple of weeks increase the weights and work up from there.
Supplements are also useful from what others have said here. I don't personally use them but it's discussed more here.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=114063&highlight=supplements
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But hey, OP, gather all the opinions you want.. and then sort out what works for you. |
Probably the best advice. |
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JustJohn

Joined: 18 Oct 2007 Location: Your computer screen
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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Captain Corea wrote: |
Sorry man, but I am in total disagreement. I've trained with pros that do exactly what you say not to.
Very few people I know have the conditioning/genetics to be able to pull off training their entire body twice a week and make gains from it.
Add a heavy dose of drugs to the mix and you might be able to pull it off.. but baring that, I think once a week for most body parts is absolutely fine - how you train them though is the next step.
But hey, OP, gather all the opinions you want.. and then sort out what works for you. |
Well, even pros can be wrong and *most* of my suggestions come from academic research.
However, just to be clear, I'm not saying I recommend (in general) doing a total body workout 3 times a week. I very strongly recommend working each muscle group twice a week, and devoting specific days to specific muscle groups.
However, the OP says he can't train that much, and since research shows that once a week isn't enough to increase muscle mass (unless the person is extremely weak at the start of training) I am suggesting he will probably be better off doing a whole body workout say 2 times a week.
And again about the days. Three on 4 off is just about the worst you can possibly do. If you absolutely have to do 3 on 4 off then the captain is right; do different muscle groups for sure. But if at all possible come up with a better schedule. |
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Oreovictim
Joined: 23 Aug 2006
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Any advice on a weight training programme? |
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BS.Dos. wrote: |
doc_ido wrote: |
Hi all,
I've researched this topic a bit online, and am getting a lot of conflicting advice. I know there are a few serious wightlifters on here so here's your chance to help a beginner out.
There's a gym right on my way home from work, so I've decided to start a bit of strength training. I'm not looking to become a serious weightlifter or bodybuilder, my training goal is to increase strength and muscle mass a little. My question is about how best to utilise the (limited) time I have.
Ideally, I'd like to train Tue-Wed-Thu. Is this feasible, or would the four-day gap between training blocks be a big setback?
Secondly, I'd probably only be able to do 40-60 minute sessions. If I were to train three times a week, would it be better to concentrate on one area each time (thus giving an area only one high-intensity session a week), train the whole body more lightly, or do something else?
I'm OK with the nutritional side of things, and can get supplements etc. quite easily. Any advice would be much appreciated. |
If you're really pushed for time and still want to buff-up, then do lots of sets of dips as these are excellent for a good upper-body workout as they work your chest, upper back, forearms, triceps and your traps. They're tough initially, but if you start with 3sets of 4/5 and then add one per set as you get better at them. |
Don't do dips! When I hurt my rotator cuff, my doctor said that dips are not good at all. Look at that picture. You're putting your arms in an awkward position - not good for your shoulders at all. Also, avoid upright rows and lat pull downs behind the neck. Also, I was at the chiropractor the other day, and he said that squats are dangerous. If your gym has it, go for a leg press machine instead.
Here's some other sound advice.
When you're lifting, just use light weights for the first couple of months. Your muscles might be able to use heavier weights, but when you're starting out, you want to condition your joints and tendons. Give them time to strengthen.
Definitely stretch before you lift weights. And since it's dangerous to stretch while not properly warmed up, get your cardio going for a bit before you stretch. Not sure how long, but I'd say at least several minutes.
Do not work the same muscle group more than one time a week. Be conscious when splitting up your body parts, too. Let's say that you do upper body three times a week. Chest and triceps one day, back and biceps another day, and shoulder and abs another day. What three areas are you stressing every one of those days? Your shoulders, your elbows, and your abdominals. And I don't agree with people who say that you can train your abs every day.
I don't know what to tell you about protein. Bodybuilders say that you really need to take in a lot. Another doctor told me that you should watch out with protein consumption. It will offer results, but he told me that he sees cases all the time with bodybuilders with kidney stones and liver problems. It's controversial; do what you want. |
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BS.Dos.

Joined: 29 Mar 2007
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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As with most exercises that involve physical exertion, there is a chance that you could cause an injury to yourself. However, the people that usually do get injured are the ones that go steaming in lifting more than they're capable of and who have developed the wrong technique. Your technique is probably the single biggest factor in terms of your overall results and whether you'll end up injuring yourself or not. So, start light, remember to breathe and don't lift more than you're capable of. You should be able to complete a set of say 10 reps without your eyes popping out of your head. |
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doc_ido

Joined: 03 Sep 2007
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks for the advice! I appreciate you all taking the time to write such detailed replies.
I suspected the Tue-Wed-Thu schedule might cause problems...I'll see about how I can fit training round my work hours so I don't have three on / four off (it'll probably involve getting up early).
Thankfully, my gym is generally pretty quiet so there's rarely any wait time for a machine or free weights (except, oddly, for the hip abductor/flexor/adductor machine which is really popular).
PS: I'm not Canadian. |
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GB
Joined: 14 Jan 2008
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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Oreovictim: you hurt your shoulder...did you see a doctor here?
I have hurt my shoulder...been nearly 6 weeks now and no improvement. pain when arm raised above head...pain while sleeping.
Anyone know of a doctor that speaks English that specialises in sports injuries? |
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