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Milwaukiedave
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 Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 2:31 am Post subject: Debunking the myth: The Florida problem is Obama's fault |
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*Update*-Coming to a town near you....South Park Starring Howard Dean as Eric Cartman-A Steve Geller Production
Jeremy Ring (D-FL) said "relevance is more important than "partying" in Denver.
Posted by madfloridian in General Discussion: Primaries
Sun Feb 17th 2008, 03:48 PM
What Jeremy Ring (D-FL) says and does matters nationwide.
He also said proudly "We have blown up the whole primary system."
This is a truly amazing statement from Florida Senator Jeremy Ring, the Democrat who introduced the early primary bill and sponsored it. He seems to think there is going to be a big party in Denver, but he seems clueless as to its importance.
Emit here at DU posted a great thread about Jeremy Ring, his lack of regrets, and his attitude.
She is getting attacked by stuff that is just tossed out there, hoping it will stick. There is an influx here to defend Hillary's decision to even go to court to get the delegates of Florida. It is getting pretty deep with the stuff that did not stick. Put on your wading boots.
What Jeremy did really matters. It has a significance beyond the primary. It shows the contempt many of Florida's Democratic leaders have for the voters.
And Jeremy Ring, a Democratic state senator from Broward County and co-sponsor of the legislation, defended it.
"If the choice is Florida is relevant and has no delegates versus being irrelevant and having delegates, I'd choose being relevant with no delegates," Ring said. "We did this so 18 million Floridians could take part in the presidential primaries, not so a few hundred people can go to a party in Denver."
Chaos Subversion...Florida
Maybe someone should have clued him in about what kind of party it was. But he had more to say about the bill.
The Florida Senate is waiting to see what happens in other states before moving forward with a date, said Sen. Jeremy Ring, D-Margate, who is leading the effort in that chamber.
"It gives us a chance to really watch the landscape," Ring said. "When we're done Florida will be relevant."
"When we're done Florida will be relevant."
Read the rest here:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1836
Maybe certain legislators should be canned after this latest episode of "me, me, me".
Was it the Republicans or the Democrats that moved the date of the primary. Survey says....
ARCHIVES
It was a Democrat, not Republicans, Who Moved Florida�s Primary Date
Buck | Sep. 28, 2007
When the hubbub over Florida�s new presidential primary date began, the Florida Democratic Party was quick to blame the Republican-led state legislature for a change that violated national Dem Party rules and introduced the state party to a world of hurt. It turns out, however, that it was actually a Democratic state senator who introduced the original legislation that moved the primary date to Jan. 29. Hmmm.
But when newly spineful state party chair Karen Thurman gathered the Democratic faithful around her last weekend to announce that the state party would defiantly promote the Jan. 29 vote as a �real� election that �counts,� the man responsible for the original legislation was conspicuously absent.
�I hear that a lot, that I was duped by the Republicans. No one duped me.�
� Fla. Sen. Jeremy RingWhen Karen Thurman surrounded herself with Broward County Democrats last Sunday to tout the Jan. 29 primary: state Sen. Jeremy Ring. No one invited the Broward state Senator who sponsored the original bill moving Florida�s primary from March to January and undercut the Democrats� argument that the early primary was all the Republicans� fault.
So, the party needed an alternate explanation, and they found one � in an alternate universe: Ring was somehow fooled by Republicans into proposing the primary move, fully aware that Howard Dean and his Democratic National Committee would beat on Florida Democrats like Ringo Starr on a snare drum. Right.
�If you turn on the left wing liberal radio down in Broward, I am public enemy number one,� said Ring, who actually campaigned in 2006 on the need for an early primary and makes no apologies for his leading the effort. �I hear that a lot, that I was duped by the Republicans. No one duped me.�
Now that the Florida Democratic Party is resigned to the fact that the state will be off-limits to the leading Democratic candidates (except for blue-plate fundraisers � so much for the Dems who can�t afford that) and the party�s convention next month will be just another diversion at Disney World and the state will be stripped of its convention delegates, Thurman et. al. seem bent on ignoring the fact that a fellow party member actually started the whole thing.
It would be inconvenient to acknowledge Ring�s role in a process where the Florida Democratic Party has morphed into the Defiant Victim � victimized by the Republican-dominated legislature, victimized by its own national party and victimized by the prez candidates, yet standing up on its hind legs and saying �Go to hell� to its victimizers. The reminder that Ring ran on the notion of moving up the primary date, was elected on it and followed through on his campaign promise is an inconvenient truth that the FlaDems simply must ignore.
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2007/09/28/it-was-a-democrat-not-republicans-who-moved-floridas-primary-date/
He sounds like a ringer for sure.
Last edited by Milwaukiedave on Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:18 am; edited 4 times in total |
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agentX
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Ah, I see. More Florida Dems being hardheaded. Just lovely...
If Clinton wants to file that lawsuit, now's the time; PA and IN are coming up really quick. Her advisers have said (check the Huff) that they would ask her to give up if she loses Indiana. But even with those delegates, she still doesn't have a path to the nomination. |
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Milwaukiedave
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More on Florida and what their delegation is saying....from someone who is actually in Florida.
Madfloridian's Journal
Combative? Wasserman-Schultz says Dean "less combative" yesterday. Oooooh.
Posted by madfloridian in General Discussion: Primaries
Fri Apr 04th 2008, 01:08 AM
Debbie Wasserman Schultz is the national co-chair of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign. She has been a major player in stopping a Florida revote. Even as Bill and Hillary called for one in the beginning....she kept saying "no revote". Her words are in a link later in the post.
Then they all gave up on the revote and started blaming Barack Obama and Howard Dean for NOT breaking the rules. Hillary sent out an email as late as yesterday saying "I have repeatedly called for seating their delegates." That is true, she has done that as well as all the other stances taken.
The anger in me started again today when I read these words of Debbie Wasserman Schultz. She managed to imply that Howard Dean had been combative with Florida leaders.
It is just so ironic.
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| Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Clinton supporter, said Dean's tone was much less combative than it had been. "He's finally realized it's counterproductive to our goal of electing the next president of the United States to continue to insist on punishing the state," she said. Wasserman Schultz says Dean not as combative |
You know what, Debbie? I had sort of figured I would back off writing about you Florida Democratic leaders for a while. I figured that since the meeting with Dean yesterday, you guys would shut your mouths for a while.
But you know what? Saying that Howard Dean had a less "combative" tone is about the most offensive thing you could say. My friend says you were on TV recently blaming him for everything in the world. That has been typical of the Florida Democrats, go on TV, sound off about the bad DNC chairman and the rules committee who sanctioned the state for breaking some pretty serious rules deliberately.
Actually he went public and said there should be a revote in Florida. He gave in and said to you guys...hey, revote or follow the rules and go to the committees.
From the Atlantic
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Instead, he put the state parties on notice: either they can wait and allow the credentials committee to decide whether to seat their delegates, or submit to a re-vote sanctioned under DNC rules. "We look forward to receiving their proposals should they decide to submit new delegate selection plans and will review those plans at that time," he said in the statement.
"Everyone seems to be asking what the DNC will do," a Democrat close to Dean said. "But the question is: what will the state parties do."
Dean's statement implies that he has no intention of changing the rules to accommodate any solution proposed by the candidates or the state parties. There has been some suggestion that the two remaining presidential candidates might try to broker a deal among themselves. His line in the sand narrows the options for Hillary Clinton's campaign because it is unlikely that a credentials committee would endorse a delegation congenial to her mathematical interests. |
He gave them hotel rooms and said they would be seated. But the delegate apportionment was not set. It will be done by the candidates or the nominee.
Debbbie Wasserman-Schultz, you yourself have been on the frontlines loudly opposing a revote in Florida. Your words are at the link.
The irony? Bill Clinton, whose wife's campaign you co-chair, was at the same time saying that if there was no revote a revote in Florida would be "disenfranchised."
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ABC News' Sarah Amos Reports: Former President Bill Clinton celebrated the Polish holiday Dingus Day in South Bend, IN this morning, rallying Hooisers around his wife Hillary's campaign. Clinton had strong words when talking about the decision not to hold new primaries in Michigan and Florida, saying the decision is "a deliberate attempt to disenfranchise" voters.
"I must say that this new strategy of denying and disempowering and disenfranchising the voters in Florida and Michigan is, I believe, a terrible mistake. Hillary believes their votes should be counted. And I don't know how we're gonna go to those people in the general election and say you gotta vote for us even though we dumped all over you in the primary," Clinton told a crowd at the Westside Democratic Club in South Bend.
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That is pretty pathetic. Even Bill Clinton was pushing for a revote while the campaign co-chair was running around all over the media saying oh no no no revote. Read her own words at the link.
Combative? You want combative? The combativeness has been coming from Florida leaders, from the Clintons, from Debbie. You want more combative?
Florida Hillary superdelegate publicly demands Dean resign...Corrine Brown.
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JACKSONVILLE, FL -- Democratic Congresswoman Corrine Brown places the blame for the delegate flap squarely on DNC Chairman Howard Dean.
"I think Howard Dean should fix the problem or resign," Brown exclaims during an interview at First Coast News studios. |
But that is relatively "mild" combativeness compared to "bramble bush" Steve Geller. He said Dean was like Cartman on South Park.
The Sun Sentinel quoted him:
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For Steve Geller, the mention of Howard Dean brings to mind Eric Cartman, one of South Park�s colorful cartoon characters who is known for his bullying ways.
In one famous episode Cartman became school hall monitor, bossing around his friends and repeatedly saying, �You will respect my authori-tie.�
Geller, the state Senate�s Democratic leader from Cooper City, thinks Dean and his top staffers have taken on some of Cartman�s persona in their leadership of the Democratic National Committee.
�They are so full of themselves,� Geller said Wednesday. "They think their rules are all that matter. It�s like the DNC is wearing a t-shirt that says, �You will respect my authority.�� |
Combative? How about this video? It is combative or just plain downright nasty and condescending. I call it the bramble bush video It is Steve Geller in all his glory on the Florida Senate floor. (note: the video has been removed from Youtube)
Oh, I could go on. If Dean were only "combative" with Florida, then God bless him. If he is less "combative" now, then good for him.
I have never seen anything like this in my life. A stateful of Democratic leaders acting like jackasses. A presidential campaign jumping in with both feet to manipulate the situation.
And the husband of the presidential candidate is the former two-term president. He is the 800 pound gorilla in the room to whom no one says no, stop it.
On Edit: Here is Debbie WS being "combative" when asked about the 115 to 1 vote for the primary. She refuses to answer, says it is an "inappropriate" line of questioning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPWrZ5UWFR8 |
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