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lucas_p
Joined: 17 Sep 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
| I'm just glad some of the Korean judges won't be as brainless and mentally ill as some of the posters on this forum! |
I was sorry to see that, but are you kidding?
Korean judges are part of the reason for the strengthening of the law. The whole legal process here is about as good and fair as a third world hell hole....and I'M FROM AMERICA -- where we string up supposed sex offenders by their toes, evidence or not! |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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Well, how fair is it when someone advises people to not touch their students, to be then accused of being a potential kiddie abuser, simply for condemning abuse in the first place?!!
Some posters on this forum are totally crazy.
Yes, I hear the law here is unfair, but if you avoid all people like the plague, it's hard to make allegations against you. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| blaseblasphemener wrote: |
| So if caught for doing this to someone 13 or younger, you face death or life imprisonment. |
Caught, or falsely convicted. |
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bacasper

Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Typhoon wrote: |
| Next, false allegations happen, but they are few and far between. If society is basing their laws on the few and far between then a lot of bad, bad, people are going to get away with doing horrible things to children. This is not a law to discourage sex offenders. It is a law to keep them off the streets. It is needed in order to make kids safer. The less sex offenders that are walking around or are able to walk around the better. |
Few and far between? Douglas Besharov, former Director of the National Center on Child Abuse and Neglect, noted that in a single year, 65% of all reports of child abuse were unfounded. "Each year, over 500,000 families are put through investigations of unfounded reports."
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| The scary thing is that the determination of guilt is determined by Korean judges who are very inempt and almost as lazy as the police. The possibilty of wrongfully accused people being thrown in jail or killed exsists and that is a scary, scary thing. We have to hope that the Korean police learn to collect ALL the evidence including statements from ALL witnesses and then they learn to submit them in their police report. This is a problem. Guilt often gets decided by the police. Then we have to hope that the judges learn to take the time to read the whole police report and judge on the information in a fair and impartail manner. This law is a step in the right direction as long as the police and judges do their part to ensure that justice is served. |
So the lives of innocent men should be sacrificed while we wait for the learning curves of Korean police and judges to go up?
It boggles the mind that people have these knee-jerk, 'final solution' overreactions to what are very complex problems. |
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itaewonguy

Joined: 25 Mar 2003
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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| diver wrote: |
| The new penalties are all well and good, but they won't matter a whit because the cops can't be bothered to get off their asses and catch these guys. |
man come on!!
you speak like there are no crimes back home because the cops there are so good they have caught all the criminals! |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004 Location: All over the map
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| diver wrote: |
| The new penalties are all well and good, but they won't matter a whit because the cops can't be bothered to get off their asses and catch these guys. |
man come on!!
you speak like there are no crimes back home because the cops there are so good they have caught all the criminals! |
I don't think that was what he was saying, I-guy. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Hank the Iconoclast wrote: |
| aye, don't touch them. I just tell them good job and let that be it. |
Bingo!
They are neither your friends nor your kids. |
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Hollywoodaction
Joined: 02 Jul 2004
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| itaewonguy wrote: |
| diver wrote: |
| The new penalties are all well and good, but they won't matter a whit because the cops can't be bothered to get off their asses and catch these guys. |
man come on!!
you speak like there are no crimes back home because the cops there are so good they have caught all the criminals! |
He does have a good point. Just recently, a girl was dragged in an elevator and beaten by a guy who has a history of sexually assaulting kids (he spent 10 years in prison for it). The attempted kidnapping and assault was captured on the apartment complex' security cameras. The cops simply brushed it off when the girl said the guy smelled like alcohol. |
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bassexpander
Joined: 13 Sep 2007 Location: Someplace you'd rather be.
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Hollywoodaction wrote: |
| itaewonguy wrote: |
| diver wrote: |
| The new penalties are all well and good, but they won't matter a whit because the cops can't be bothered to get off their asses and catch these guys. |
man come on!!
you speak like there are no crimes back home because the cops there are so good they have caught all the criminals! |
He does have a good point. Just recently, a girl was dragged in an elevator and beaten by a guy who has a history of sexually assaulting kids (he spent 10 years in prison for it). The attempted kidnapping and assault was captured on the apartment complex' security cameras. The cops simply brushed it off when the girl said the guy smelled like alcohol. |
And that's ALL the raging discussion in Korea these days. The police didn't do anything about it until Lee Myung Bak made a publicized visit to the Ilsan police department. He was upset that nothing had been done, and citizens are/were outraged. LMB scored some points with people on this. In any case, the police hauled the guy in within 5 hours.
Imagine the loss of face at that police department.
They deserved it, too. People are really horrified and freaked-out by that video of the girl being grabbed/beaten. Especially in light of the news of the two girls who were hacked to pieces recently.
I think the police are in for a long 5 or whatever years under LMB. |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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And rightfully so. The police have been crap for the 8 years I have been here. It is about time someone is going to try to make them do their damn jobs. The sad thing is that if the police had been doing their job all along the need for such a heavy handed law would probably not be needed. The problem is that the police rarely catch people who sexually abuse kids so when they do people/the gov't want to make sure they don't get out.
I have a daughter and I have to say the law makes me happy. I like knowing that people who sexually abuse kids are going to be put away for a long time. I would be happier knowing that for every day of their sentence they would have to have their *beep* electrically shocked for no less than two hours a day, but that would be over the line.
As a teacher it does frighten me that a false accusation could be a huge problem of me, but in the end I would rather have the law in place. Protection for kids is more important than protection for teachers. We just have to make sure we are as careful as possible and that we learn how to protect ourselves against false accusations. |
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Typhoon
Joined: 29 May 2007 Location: Daejeon
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:11 pm Post subject: |
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| funny test-i-cles are beeped out by the swear filter. *beep* is not a bad word is it??? |
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nicholas_chiasson

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Location: Samcheok
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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| I do think this is why we EPIK teachers get the 'no alone time in a classroom without a Korean Teacher.' I myself prefer it. How can you make a 23 year old 'discipline' a 15 year old girl? Really if I ask her nicely to read a page, and she says 'no' what is left? Just one more reason I don't want to work hogwons... |
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asylum seeker
Joined: 22 Jul 2007 Location: On your computer screen.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 8:51 am Post subject: |
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| nicholas_chiasson wrote: |
| I do think this is why we EPIK teachers get the 'no alone time in a classroom without a Korean Teacher.' I myself prefer it. How can you make a 23 year old 'discipline' a 15 year old girl? Really if I ask her nicely to read a page, and she says 'no' what is left? Just one more reason I don't want to work hogwons... |
Yeah, its so tough, so tough. If a student doesn't do what I say I give them three x's and send them out of the class for five minutes, where the 원장님 metes out whatever punishment he feels is appropriate. If you can't handle doing something like that, well.. you sound like a 15 year old girl yourself  |
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kentucker4

Joined: 03 Sep 2007 Location: Georgia
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| This is scary as shit. I could see a little Korean doing this. They are so freakin overemotional...some of my kids are capable of doing anything. |
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IncognitoHFX

Joined: 06 May 2007 Location: Yeongtong, Suwon
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:34 am Post subject: |
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What's scary is that even my youngest kids know what a "pervert" is. Which means they're quite able to manipulate someone into believing they were touched when they weren't only to get attention. It could potentially destroy an innocent person's reputation, even if proven innocent. All at the whim of a child.
I didn't know what a pervert was until I was in Grade six or so. I have students who are seven years old who were referring to the child murderer from Anyang as a "Pyeontae", which is scary on two counts: they actually know what happened (they're way too young to understand it so their parents shouldn't tell them IMHO), and secondly, they actually have a vague idea of what a "pervert" is.
Children need to be ignorant because they're children. It's part of the process. People need to quit cramming their heads with stuff they aren't ready to understand. That's why I don't let my younger kids talk about the Anyang murderer in my class, or anything related to it. |
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