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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:40 pm Post subject: |
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Tomato,
you are seriously one f****d up individual. |
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julian_w

Joined: 08 Sep 2003 Location: Somewhere beyond Middle Peak Hotel, north of Middle Earth, and well away from the Middle of the Road
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 6:52 pm Post subject: Getting what you want |
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Look, when jumping around town and interacting with random members of the local populace, you or I may or may not speak adequate Korean.
If it is Korean language practise you want, or, if it is for the local person with whom you're dealing to show you 'respect' (in your eyes) by speaking to you in their language, then, in my experience, all you have to do is initiate the conversation and quite clearly establish that conversation in Korean. Yes, sometimes some locals are a bit slow to pick up on the fact that you're speaking Korean adequately. Maybe we need to make a more definate opening statement. The one I find always works is to ask them, in Korean, if they speak Korean.
I'm an average white guy (ie. not a kyopo nor Korean brought up overseas) so when I walk on up to them and say something like: "Hangul mal hasaeyoh?" they look at me twice, I wait for the penny to drop, and if they're onto it maybe even get a smile, grin or chuckle from them. Whatever, the conversation usually progresses immediately and automatically in Korean... for as far as my limited Korean can handle it.
When I (soon) thereafter strike a word I don't know in Korean, I'll ask them (in Korean) what it means, and see if they can explain it another way in Korean;
failing that I'll hastily pull out my electro-dicktionary or, maybe, sometimes, they'll know the English or Konglish.
Whatever, any time I get greetings or farewells in English, with or without a conversation in between, I just take it as them showing me a bit of free courtesy, which is unnecessary, and therefore all the more cool. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:03 pm Post subject: |
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Tomato,
you are seriously one f****d up individual. |
Agreed.
But Superhero, why start a thread guaranteed to bring Tomato and her rambling BS out of the woodwork? |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe he was in a bad mood last Friday and needed someone to take it out on.
If so, I am happy to be of service.
Anyway, I'm glad he did, because I have had that last story on my mind for a long time, and I needed a current thread to post it on.
Incidentally, Tomato is a he. |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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| samd wrote: |
| SuperHero wrote: |
Tomato,
you are seriously one f****d up individual. |
Agreed.
But Superhero, why start a thread guaranteed to bring Tomato and her rambling BS out of the woodwork? |
Because tomato hijacks every thread about learning Korean and turns it into his own personal crusade (re: whinefest) - Now I'll just link to this thread whenever his pointless whining comes up again. |
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samd
Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:12 am Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
Maybe he was in a bad mood last Friday and needed someone to take it out on.
If so, I am happy to be of service.
Anyway, I'm glad he did, because I have had that last story on my mind for a long time, and I needed a current thread to post it on.
Incidentally, Tomato is a he. |
Damn, I would have had my life savings on you being a woman. |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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Damn Tomato..the way you just added in those things that are so F-ed up its funny..
I hereby nominate Tomato as one of the coolest people on the planet. word. |
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Froggy Parker
Joined: 21 Nov 2007
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:54 pm Post subject: Re: Koreans speaking Korean to me all the time |
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Yo Tomato, listen up!
I don't feel that Koreans are condescending to me, nor do I feel that they treat me like a child. In fact I rarely experience Koreans speaking English to me except when I am at work. for the most part Koreans speak Korean to me and expect me to speak Korean. Sure I get the occasional person who can't get over the 외국인 can only speak English. But that's not a big deal - it usually only happens at a convenience store and I can't even remember the last time that happened.
My regular encounters with Korean are detailed below.
My childrens first daycare - the teachers all spoke Korean to me without exception. chit chat, details of what went on, what the kids ate and what changes were going on. The owner spoke some English, but never even tried to speak English with me.
My daughters first Kindergarten same experience as the daycare - bonus points the Korean "English" teacher spoke Korean to me when explaining what they were going to do in class. The school didn't ask me to provide an English lesson, though I might have when asked. They even got a part time English speaker though I never met him.
Parents in the neighborhood all spoke Korean to me with the exception of one mom who spoke English like a native speaker, but I rarely saw her. The security guards in the building and the recycling ajjumas all spoke Korean to me. The owner of the gym that I went to as well as other gym patrons all spoke Korean to me without even trying English. Again my daughters piano hagwon same deal. Interestingly one of the piano teachers negotiated with me to be her private English teacher which I declined, but the negotiations were all in Korean.
We moved to a new neighborhood resulting in a new kindergarten and daycare. The security guards here all speak Korean to me too without even batting an eye - again sometimes I don't understand it, I get my wife to help out, but since I'm home way more than she is I do most of it.
Guess what the teachers all speak to me in Korean without a lick of English even asked for or expected - when I went with my wife the first day to find out about the program everything was explained in Korean with my wife helping me out on the finer details. This neighborhood doesn't have a piano hagwon so we got a private teacher from the local university - not a word of English from her, despite 90% of Freshmen students being able to and wanting to speak some English with a native speaker.
In the playground in my complex the moms all speak to me in Korean and don't even try to use English, though a couple were surprised when they heard me speaking Korean (they didn't express it, I just saw it in their eyes). The local supermarkets, drycleaners and shops all speak Korean to me and don't even try to use English.
Then there was the time about 6 weeks ago where I got in an argument with an ajjusi about his jackass parking job (10 minutes arguing in Korean)
about 2 weeks ago in the super a really old lady (85+) started talking to me in Korean for about 10 minutes after she heard me ask the clerk a question.
This is not to say that I don't get the occasional Korean who assumes I don't speak Korean or just won't listen to my Korean. However my experience is that in the last few years things have changed remarkably and now most Koreans assume that you can speak some Korean.
Looking forward to other happy Korean speaking stories.
And for the record my Korean ability is not nearly as good as it should be for how long I've been here. I've completed level 3 at sogang and it shows that I haven't studied in over 2 years. |
omg an 85 year old woman didn't try to speak English to you? Wow! And the people you regularly interact with and know you speak a bit of Korean don't, either?
Obviously Tomato is delusional.
When I go to fill up my gas, I usually get this as I'm pulling up: "How muchy?" Or, perhaps a curt, "얼마?" I go to Lottemart and 80% of the time the cashier will poke at a bag and look at me, or perhaps say "puhlaysteek bayg?" Then they just peck at the number display instead of telling me the total.
Nah, just kidding, I made all that up. Brb I'm gonna go find a corpse and see if it speaks to me in English. |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 12:00 am Post subject: Re: Koreans speaking Korean to me all the time |
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| Froggy Parker wrote: |
omg an 85 year old woman didn't try to speak English to you? Wow! And the people you regularly interact with and know you speak a bit of Korean don't, either? |
My point is that on first contact (when they don't know if you speak Korean) they didn't use a lick of English. |
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nicholas_chiasson

Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Location: Samcheok
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:32 am Post subject: |
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| I really don't care what language people speak to me in. I either understand or I don't. Their choice. |
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Cedar
Joined: 11 Mar 2003 Location: In front of my computer, again.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:56 am Post subject: |
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This --so--- has to do with location, the type of person and how often they see you. For anyone in a smaller town, you know that on first meeting Korean is more common, in Seoul, people use English more, even if it's horrible. And of course certain people (those who've learned some English) will try to use it more than others (85 year old grandmas), and anyone with brains will speak to you in the language you prefer to be addressed in, which they can often learn by taking a cue from what language you address them in.
You're both right, in a way. Get it? |
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SuperHero

Joined: 10 Dec 2003 Location: Superhero Hideout
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 2:04 am Post subject: |
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| Cedar wrote: |
This --so--- has to do with location, the type of person and how often they see you. For anyone in a smaller town, you know that on first meeting Korean is more common, in Seoul, people use English more, even if it's horrible. And of course certain people (those who've learned some English) will try to use it more than others (85 year old grandmas), and anyone with brains will speak to you in the language you prefer to be addressed in, which they can often learn by taking a cue from what language you address them in.
You're both right, in a way. Get it? |
except that I live in Seoul (with all the enlgish speakers) and tomato lives in the sticks. |
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tomato

Joined: 31 Jan 2003 Location: I get so little foreign language experience, I must be in Koreatown, Los Angeles.
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 5:37 am Post subject: |
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I'm on Cloud Nine right now.
This morning, a Japanese class met for the first time this term.
I was able to get in, get through the whole two hours, and get out without getting Anglophoned even once.
In fact, some students ooh'd and aah'd when I was able to translate words from one language to the other.
I get accosted for resenting Anglophone attacks more than do other foreigners, but has it ever occurred to you guys that I also might appreciate absence of Anglophone attacks than do other foreigners?
Since there is no reliable instrument for measuring happiness, how can you guys be so sure that you are happier than I am? |
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NAVFC
Joined: 10 May 2006
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:01 am Post subject: |
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| tomato wrote: |
I'm on Cloud Nine right now.
This morning, a Japanese class met for the first time this term.
I was able to get in, get through the whole two hours, and get out without getting Anglophoned even once.
In fact, some students ooh'd and aah'd when I was able to translate words from one language to the other.
I get accosted for resenting Anglophone attacks more than do other foreigners, but has it ever occurred to you guys that I also might appreciate absence of Anglophone attacks than do other foreigners?
Since there is no reliable instrument for measuring happiness, how can you guys be so sure that you are happier than I am? |
Tomato, your the shizit.
If I had the time, I think I would start the Tomato fan club. |
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nate1983
Joined: 30 Mar 2008
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't speak great but can read and write some (think third year college level), and there is one korean student in my phd program who I've talked to a bit but never in korean..there is a haitian student in our class with whom I speak French as I studied that since I was quite young. Anyways after class the korean student came up to me in the hallway and asked me how I learned to speak such good french, and i was like *time to let the cat out of the bag*...so i replied 내 할아버지께서는 언어학자 이셨어요...그래서 나도 어렸을 때부터 외국어에 관심이 있게 됐어요...내 어머니 가르쳤어요 or something to that effect. he looked confused for a second, then all of a sudden he had the most astonished look on his face, and was like "i am so surprised!" "how? how do you speak korean?" "when did you go to korea?" 가 본 적이 없어요...after this he could hardly say a word until we got to the other building. he was like "we will talk later..i cannot talk now, i am too shocked." so that's my anecdote..although if you're actually in korea i doubt you can really shock people but i guess saying anything beyond "annyung" was impressive to him haha. |
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