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PRagic
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shapeshifter
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| 2. She could have fell behind in her other studies, |
It scares me that any native speaker, let alone an English teacher, can reach adulthood and still not have a basic grasp of English grammar. |
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jkelly80
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Location: you boys like mexico?
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| Hater Depot wrote: |
| I think people are leaping to conclusions when they think she's blaming people or society for her situation. She's expressing a common frustration that immigrants have. It isn't nice to lose touch with your language and culture even if good things do come of it. It seems a bit churlish to judge her for expressing that, especially behind your computer screen and going on nothing but the OP. |
That's not true. It's quite obvious she was not forced to "abandon" her culture, yet that's the word she uses. She's equating English education with compulsion to abandon her parent's culture. That sounds like blame to me, no matter what medium I use to read her complaints. |
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NilesQ
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:07 am Post subject: |
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| Here is another angle that hasn't been addressed yet. We in the west, and it sounds as if the author of the paper did too, attend PUBLICLY FUNDED schools. That means that the PUBLIC determines the educational policy and curricilum. Just maybe the hundred or so years of intergration of non English speakers into American society held by the American public went into the creation of the policy that robbed the author of her culture. I see merit in melting pot and the mosaic approach to multiculturalism. But society has an obligation to prepare its youth for their life in that society. From the sounds of her paper, it did just that. She can now articulately play the race card to get what she wants. Welcome to the American dream. Feast on the white, middle class guilt! |
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Miles Rationis
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Location: Just Say No To Korea!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 12:16 am Post subject: |
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| shapeshifter wrote: |
| Captain Corea wrote: |
| 2. She could have fell behind in her other studies, |
It scares me that any native speaker, let alone an English teacher, can reach adulthood and still not have a basic grasp of English grammar. |
It actually gets worse, beyond the mangling of past participles of strong verbs. It is worse when they switch the auxillary verb 'have' for the preposition 'of' and ACTUALLY write this. |
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Miles Rationis
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Gute Sache... |
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MollyBloom
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:18 am Post subject: |
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Here's another theory and it happened to me back home.
I partied too much and I had a paper due in 1 hour. So, I BSed and wrote stuff that I sure didn't believe, but knew the professor would really like so that I would get a decent grade.
Of course, I didn't do that all the time. There were a couple occasions where I half-assed some assignment and the professor lauded it in front of the entire class. |
That makes me very, very sad. I am a grad student taking an American Protest Literature course. The professors are completely against Americans and white people (they are white American men) and all the communist propaganda makes me sick. This is my last class before my I write my thesis, and I know if I speak my mind, I could not do as well as I wanted to, and therefore screw up my chances of finishing my degree smoothly. I have worked so hard to be where I am, but university isn't really what it used to be where you could intelligently argue academics with someone without them taking it personally. |
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