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cbclark4
Joined: 20 Aug 2006
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Basically here is what is happening:
There is a group of posters here who have found themselves correctly identified as being supporters of the fascist-socialist-communist state and they are correctly identified by their political views as being in the populist-totalitarian (socialist/fascist/communist) corner on the two dimensional political map.
These would-be "posting rulers" want to be seen as the uber intellectual elite and take their place of glory with those scum who constitute the ruling political class. They are confounded by and fearful of any challenge of their long-discredited, archaic world view. They are terrified of the upstarts who won't stay in their places.
Unable to win intellectually, seeing the hegemony of their leaders challenged and fearing the loss of their status as aspiring lickspittle factotums of the pond scum imperialist classes, this group has descended into whining about control of posting on the Current Events Forum at Dave's.
As posting here at Dave's represents the apex of their "skyrocketing" careers, so far, they feel they have earned the right to limit what others think important and impose their views (which cannot stand on their own) by enlisting the aid of the moderator-industrial complex.
So as to insure the dominance that their feeble minds and arguments cannot win for them, they seek to use the mods, the only "government" available to them at Dave's, to control the free thinking individuals who post here. Unable to compete intellectually, the totalitarian posting elitists seek to limit the posting of anyone challenging their authority by isloating them in "cyber ghettos," huge threads where thousands of topics are forced under one banner.
The intent of these grasping cyber dictators is to make it impossible for the forum participants to separate and discuss rationally the topics that lay bare for all to see, the evils of the ruling class.
By demonstrating their successful mastery of the tools of fascism, regulation, control and dominance, our aspiring lickspittle neofascist factotums hope to earn a few dribbles of praise, a bit of fiat currency pelf in payment and the chance to lick the dung off the shoes of some assistant to the assistant of the servant of the administrative assistant to the under assistant of some minor official in the administration of some Demopublican clone in some Bush/McClinton administration.
in other words...
Topics they agree with should have all the threads they want.
Topics they disagree with and cannot control nor defeat by insults should all be combined into one thread.
They are willing to use the mods to get what they cannot win on their own, just as they will use the government to steal for them what they cannot earn for themselves. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:52 am Post subject: |
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Ontheway, I think you're on to something  |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:00 am Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
Basically here is what is happening:
There is a group of posters here who have found themselves correctly identified as being supporters of the fascist-socialist-communist state and they are correctly identified by their political views as being in the populist-totalitarian (socialist/fascist/communist) corner on the two dimensional political map.
These would-be "posting rulers" want to be seen as the uber intellectual elite and take their place of glory with those scum who constitute the ruling political class. They are confounded by and fearful of any challenge of their long-discredited, archaic world view. They are terrified of the upstarts who won't stay in their places.
Unable to win intellectually, seeing the hegemony of their leaders challenged and fearing the loss of their status as aspiring lickspittle factotums of the pond scum imperialist classes, this group has descended into whining about control of posting on the Current Events Forum at Dave's.
As posting here at Dave's represents the apex of their "skyrocketing" careers, so far, they feel they have earned the right to limit what others think important and impose their views (which cannot stand on their own) by enlisting the aid of the moderator-industrial complex.
So as to insure the dominance that their feeble minds and arguments cannot win for them, they seek to use the mods, the only "government" available to them at Dave's, to control the free thinking individuals who post here. Unable to compete intellectually, the totalitarian posting elitists seek to limit the posting of anyone challenging their authority by isloating them in "cyber ghettos," huge threads where thousands of topics are forced under one banner.
The intent of these grasping cyber dictators is to make it impossible for the forum participants to separate and discuss rationally the topics that lay bare for all to see, the evils of the ruling class.
By demonstrating their successful mastery of the tools of fascism, regulation, control and dominance, our aspiring lickspittle neofascist factotums hope to earn a few dribbles of praise, a bit of fiat currency pelf in payment and the chance to lick the dung off the shoes of some assistant to the assistant of the servant of the administrative assistant to the under assistant of some minor official in the administration of some Demopublican clone in some Bush/McClinton administration.
in other words...
Topics they agree with should have all the threads they want.
Topics they disagree with and cannot control nor defeat by insults should all be combined into one thread.
They are willing to use the mods to get what they cannot win on their own, just as they will use the government to steal for them what they cannot earn for themselves. |
What you are saying doesn't quite stand up to scrutiny, pal. In order for what you wrote to stand up to the light of day, the moderators and those who are supposedly their allies would have to be of a certain political persuasion i.e. on the Right and of the fascist persuasion or fascist or Left and on the extreme politically correct way, and the possibility of simply silencing, perhaps, those who espouse conspiracy theories, and most of the posters haven't said they are for silencing conspiracy theorists, and there are those on the Right and Left who agree on things.
Give some empirical analysis of this. Where is one group versus another? This idea of elite posters almost sounds like a Right wing conspiracy against Left wing posters. However, you are invoking communists and socialists with those you disagree with? So all the posters who don't agree with you are communists and socialists? What kind of political reasoning is that? Do you even know what communism is?
Have you studied Karl Marx, Lenin, studied about Stalin? Do you know much about political forums?
It is interesting that you state that combining say the JFK thread is
some communist plot. That's interesting considering Oswald was a Leftist. But, hey, whatever works for you. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:15 am Post subject: |
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The mods, like most low level government workers, are dupes at best.
Too bad Seinfeld is no longer being produced. Imagine the posting Nazi episode.
Sorry Adventurer,
"No soup for you!" |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:29 am Post subject: |
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The mods, like most low level government workers, are dupes at best.
Too bad Seinfeld is no longer being produced. Imagine the posting Nazi episode.
Sorry Adventurer,
"No soup for you!" |
Well, zat is too bad, because I make my own soup, and you still didn't answer za questions....So, you definitely don't get any soup.
Where is the exact bias and the like. You are just speculating in a wild way that hasn't really made sense with this talk about communism.
I am definitely not a communist, and I see nothing wrong with the idea of one-thread for some threads or debating whether that's a good idea or a bad idea. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| What you are saying doesn't quite stand up to scrutiny, pal. In order for what you wrote to stand up to the light of day, the moderators and those who are supposedly their allies would have to be of a certain political persuasion i.e. on the Right and of the fascist persuasion or fascist or Left and on the extreme politically correct way, and the possibility of simply silencing, perhaps, those who espouse conspiracy theories, and most of the posters haven't said they are for silencing conspiracy theorists, and there are those on the Right and Left who agree on things. |
I didn't get that he was saying it was the mods trying to impose a view but rather the "group of posters" who were trying to use the mods to accomplish their goals. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:45 am Post subject: |
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The main point of my post about the whiners was this:
"Topics they agree with should have all the threads they want.
Topics they disagree with and cannot control nor defeat by insults should all be combined into one thread.
They are willing to use the mods to get what they cannot win on their own"
All the threads about threads, and posts about posts is just nonsense about nonsense.
The first and only change we should make is to put all the threads about threads into one thread and confine the whiners and the mods to that thread.
The forum was fine before.
Whiners, give it a rest. |
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Adventurer
Joined: 28 Jan 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:48 am Post subject: |
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| bacasper wrote: |
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| What you are saying doesn't quite stand up to scrutiny, pal. In order for what you wrote to stand up to the light of day, the moderators and those who are supposedly their allies would have to be of a certain political persuasion i.e. on the Right and of the fascist persuasion or fascist or Left and on the extreme politically correct way, and the possibility of simply silencing, perhaps, those who espouse conspiracy theories, and most of the posters haven't said they are for silencing conspiracy theorists, and there are those on the Right and Left who agree on things. |
I didn't get that he was saying it was the mods trying to impose a view but rather the "group of posters" who were trying to use the mods to accomplish their goals. |
You mean where say Gopher was saying he didn't want to see those posts? Yes, Gopher said that, but Gopher is one poster. The others said, including myself, they didn't want things overdone and too many conspiracy theories and some compromise where things, when possible, could be put in one thread, and for the poster to invoke communism in relation to the debate over the conspiracy theory is funny since Oswald was pro-communist and the conspiracy theories revolved around JFK a lot.
A couple of posters wanted, maybe (I am not sure), to do away with the conspiracy theories, but I don't think that was the sentiment of say more than 2 posters. Basically, this is a bit overplayed in terms of the differences between the various posters on this. Various sides were giving their input to the mods about this. I don't think, in the main, posters were trying to force something to be done. The polls should the posters weren't for that, right, Bacasper? |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 9:13 am Post subject: |
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I see that I'll have to explain. My post uses an exagerated parody of a political rant to point out that whining about what others think and post is silly: truth mixed with humor. Your misinterpretation leads me to surmise that the jocularity was obfuscated by an excess of veracity.
Rather than try to confine the world they don't like to some limited area so they can feel comfortable, the whiners should just voluntarily scroll on by, or confine themselves to their own threads, or just get a life.
I'm glad to see that Becasper got it. |
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Pluto
Joined: 19 Dec 2006
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Why not just say you're a free speech absolutist? |
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Manner of Speaking
Joined: 09 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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| ontheway wrote: |
Basically here is what is happening:
There is a group of posters here who have found themselves correctly identified as being supporters of the fascist-socialist-communist state and they are correctly identified by their political views as being in the populist-totalitarian (socialist/fascist/communist) corner on the two dimensional political map.
These would-be "posting rulers" want to be seen as the uber intellectual elite and take their place of glory with those scum who constitute the ruling political class. They are confounded by and fearful of any challenge of their long-discredited, archaic world view. They are terrified of the upstarts who won't stay in their places.
Unable to win intellectually, seeing the hegemony of their leaders challenged and fearing the loss of their status as aspiring lickspittle factotums of the pond scum imperialist classes, this group has descended into whining about control of posting on the Current Events Forum at Dave's.
As posting here at Dave's represents the apex of their "skyrocketing" careers, so far, they feel they have earned the right to limit what others think important and impose their views (which cannot stand on their own) by enlisting the aid of the moderator-industrial complex.
So as to insure the dominance that their feeble minds and arguments cannot win for them, they seek to use the mods, the only "government" available to them at Dave's, to control the free thinking individuals who post here. Unable to compete intellectually, the totalitarian posting elitists seek to limit the posting of anyone challenging their authority by isloating them in "cyber ghettos," huge threads where thousands of topics are forced under one banner.
The intent of these grasping cyber dictators is to make it impossible for the forum participants to separate and discuss rationally the topics that lay bare for all to see, the evils of the ruling class.
By demonstrating their successful mastery of the tools of fascism, regulation, control and dominance, our aspiring lickspittle neofascist factotums hope to earn a few dribbles of praise, a bit of fiat currency pelf in payment and the chance to lick the dung off the shoes of some assistant to the assistant of the servant of the administrative assistant to the under assistant of some minor official in the administration of some Demopublican clone in some Bush/McClinton administration.
in other words...
Topics they agree with should have all the threads they want.
Topics they disagree with and cannot control nor defeat by insults should all be combined into one thread.
They are willing to use the mods to get what they cannot win on their own, just as they will use the government to steal for them what they cannot earn for themselves. |
Well that's an interesting theory, and clearly you have put some thought into it.
But as for me, topics that I agree with should NOT have all the threads they want. I pointed out the example of the Titan thread that Mithridates and I created last year, as an example of one topic-one thread. It was one that a few of us on the forum - not everyone - were interested in, and it was an example of how a thread topic can be more interesting and fun to discuss WHEN YOU STICK TO ONE THREAD PER TOPIC. |
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ontheway
Joined: 24 Aug 2005
Location: Somewhere under the rainbow...
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:24 am Post subject: |
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| Manner of Speaking wrote: |
| ontheway wrote: |
Basically here is what is happening:
There is a group of posters here who have found themselves correctly identified as being supporters of the fascist-socialist-communist state and they are correctly identified by their political views as being in the populist-totalitarian (socialist/fascist/communist) corner on the two dimensional political map.
These would-be "posting rulers" want to be seen as the uber intellectual elite and take their place of glory with those scum who constitute the ruling political class. They are confounded by and fearful of any challenge of their long-discredited, archaic world view. They are terrified of the upstarts who won't stay in their places.
Unable to win intellectually, seeing the hegemony of their leaders challenged and fearing the loss of their status as aspiring lickspittle factotums of the pond scum imperialist classes, this group has descended into whining about control of posting on the Current Events Forum at Dave's.
As posting here at Dave's represents the apex of their "skyrocketing" careers, so far, they feel they have earned the right to limit what others think important and impose their views (which cannot stand on their own) by enlisting the aid of the moderator-industrial complex.
So as to insure the dominance that their feeble minds and arguments cannot win for them, they seek to use the mods, the only "government" available to them at Dave's, to control the free thinking individuals who post here. Unable to compete intellectually, the totalitarian posting elitists seek to limit the posting of anyone challenging their authority by isloating them in "cyber ghettos," huge threads where thousands of topics are forced under one banner.
The intent of these grasping cyber dictators is to make it impossible for the forum participants to separate and discuss rationally the topics that lay bare for all to see, the evils of the ruling class.
By demonstrating their successful mastery of the tools of fascism, regulation, control and dominance, our aspiring lickspittle neofascist factotums hope to earn a few dribbles of praise, a bit of fiat currency pelf in payment and the chance to lick the dung off the shoes of some assistant to the assistant of the servant of the administrative assistant to the under assistant of some minor official in the administration of some Demopublican clone in some Bush/McClinton administration.
in other words...
Topics they agree with should have all the threads they want.
Topics they disagree with and cannot control nor defeat by insults should all be combined into one thread.
They are willing to use the mods to get what they cannot win on their own, just as they will use the government to steal for them what they cannot earn for themselves. |
Well that's an interesting theory, and clearly you have put some thought into it.
But as for me, topics that I agree with should NOT have all the threads they want. I pointed out the example of the Titan thread that Mithridates and I created last year, as an example of one topic-one thread. It was one that a few of us on the forum - not everyone - were interested in, and it was an example of how a thread topic can be more interesting and fun to discuss WHEN YOU STICK TO ONE THREAD PER TOPIC. |
You should put all of your threads on science, space exploration, research, science people, stem cell research, evolution, etc. under one thread.
Bad idea?
Of course.
But, that's the equivalent of what the whiners are advocating for the threads they don't like. |
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bacasper
Joined: 26 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| Adventurer wrote: |
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| What you are saying doesn't quite stand up to scrutiny, pal. In order for what you wrote to stand up to the light of day, the moderators and those who are supposedly their allies would have to be of a certain political persuasion i.e. on the Right and of the fascist persuasion or fascist or Left and on the extreme politically correct way, and the possibility of simply silencing, perhaps, those who espouse conspiracy theories, and most of the posters haven't said they are for silencing conspiracy theorists, and there are those on the Right and Left who agree on things. |
I didn't get that he was saying it was the mods trying to impose a view but rather the "group of posters" who were trying to use the mods to accomplish their goals. |
You mean where say Gopher was saying he didn't want to see those posts? Yes, Gopher said that, but Gopher is one poster. The others said, including myself, they didn't want things overdone and too many conspiracy theories and some compromise where things, when possible, could be put in one thread, and for the poster to invoke communism in relation to the debate over the conspiracy theory is funny since Oswald was pro-communist and the conspiracy theories revolved around JFK a lot.
A couple of posters wanted, maybe (I am not sure), to do away with the conspiracy theories, but I don't think that was the sentiment of say more than 2 posters. Basically, this is a bit overplayed in terms of the differences between the various posters on this. Various sides were giving their input to the mods about this. I don't think, in the main, posters were trying to force something to be done. The polls should the posters weren't for that, right, Bacasper? |
Uhh, could you repeat the question? |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 6:45 am Post subject: |
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Uhh, could you repeat the question? |
Let me summarize my thoughts for you, Bacasper. I stated essentially that it was only Gopher and, perhaps, Steve Mc Garrett who strenuously opposed the conspiracy posts, and those who didn't necessarily favour them, but encourage diversity in posting stated they would rather, when possible, that things be put in one thread. So, it wasn't so many posters objecting in a strenuous fashion. Anyway, people can debate as they choose as long as we can hear each other out. I think that happened, more-or-less. |
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