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What do Koreans think foreigners don't know about Korea?
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if any foreigner can actually hold a bit of a not too broken conversation in Korean, that's impressive to Koreans (and foreigners)... I see a few foreigners speaking Korean fluently on TV, and I'm impressed. Once on TV I saw a few foreigners, including a black guy (the only time I have seen that -- this is Korea), speaking fluently, and then singing a Korean song and dancing in front of the Korean crowd. The Koreans loved it! Completely non-Korean faces doing the Korean thing in words, song and dance.
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Bulsajo



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed Mar 05, 2003 10:33 am    Post subject: Re: What's up Reply with quote

Derrek wrote:
Bulsajo wrote:
13. Tell them you know about the 'mongobanjum' and where it comes from. (The mongolian birthmark on the rump).

Please explain that one a little more. I have heard about it, but never understood it. What exactly is it? Does every korean have it?


It's the birthmark that looks like a bruise on the tailbone, bum, or the small of the back (usually). I've heard they can be quite big on some people. Can disappear as the child gets older, but my wife still has hers. Apparently all Mongolians have this mark as well, and it was introduced into the Korean bloddline when the Mongols occupied the Korean peninsula in A.D. something-something (too lazy to look it up right now). There was even a thread on the other board a while back about how a kindergarten teacher thought most of her kids were being abused by their parents because they had bruises on their bums! Laughing
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narsty dog



Joined: 29 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly what was a foreign teacher doing looking at the KIDS bums ???????????
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marsha marsha marsha



Joined: 07 Feb 2003
Location: At the base of a very big pyramid

PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:19 pm    Post subject: Cooking Reply with quote

My friends and students were always shocked when they found out I could cook Korean food and thought I did it pretty well. Most doubted my abilities and were quite upfront about it! Embarassed
I even had to bring in some of my kimchee so they would believe me!
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Dr. Buck



Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Land of the Morning Clam

PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wildlife. Birds. Fish. Trees. Most Koreans hardly know their own native flora and fauna, and whenever I bring up any of those related topics, I often get blank stares. I suppose that's the way it is when half the country spends their life in a PC bang or in front of a TV or with their nose in a book.
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Tiger Beer



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Thu Mar 06, 2003 8:43 pm    Post subject: Everything's shocking to them... Reply with quote

I told Koreans once that I don't eat hamburgers for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.. they looked at me like their education system had failed them..

I also enjoyed the time Korean students explained to me that they eat rice and in the USA we don't have rice. That was very educational. I tried to explain that California is one of the world's largest rice producers. They laughed and thought it was a funny joke. However I wasn't joking, but I smiled anyhow and pretended I was.

I think the biggest shock I ever gave a Korean was telling them I'd never had a one-night stand in the USA, but I've had tons of them in Korea. Well, actually I've yet to tell them this.. but its true.. and I don't want to shock them with that one.. not until the next morning anyhow.. well, maybe I'll just keep that one a secret..
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kiwifruit



Joined: 26 Jan 2003
Location: my apartment

PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2003 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are things that amaze me that Koreans don't know or don't like about their own country.

For example I have asked my students who likes various Korean hip hop and rock groups? I am generally the only person in the class who does (out of 20 plus students). Other boomers are What is the population of South Korea? Where is the N Korean nuclear plant?

I played a game the other day. Me against all of them. They ask a question of me about Korea and then I ask a question about my country to them. I whopped some arse.

Fortunately they asked easy questions like who was the first president of Korea in the 'democratic' period? How many provinces in Korea? What is the tallest building in Korea? ...

I guess the lack of general knowledge is indicitive of young people everywhere in the world though. I think Koreans will be most amazed by things you know about Korea that even they don't know.

kf
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VanIslander



Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"oh-ship-se-ju" (a bottle of soju mixed together with a bottle of bek-seju)

Whenever I go out with Koreans and they ask whether we should have soju or wine, and I suggest both by saying "oh-ship-se-ju", I get shocked looks. Shocked Shocked Shocked

It's just not well known; many Koreans had never heard of it, apparently including my director.... I hear it's a heavy drinkers' brew.

Several of my adult students are blue collar shipyard workers, so I learned quickly. Embarassed Haannggoovveerr!
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coolsage



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The unspoken assumption, even after you have established that you have been in Korea for X years, is that you just got off the boat twenty minutes ago. Q: 'You know how to use chopsticks?' (amazement on their blank little faces). A: Yes, of course, I've been eating Chinese food since I was a fetus. Do you know how to use a knife and fork?
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rok_the-boat



Joined: 24 Jan 2004

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So, why do some barber shops have two poles?
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Universalis



Joined: 17 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

narsty dog wrote:



however if you want to get a laugh then try,

1. telling them about the lesbian park hangout in shinchon ( very young girls)


A student mentioned this to me a few years ago but I was never able to dig up much more info on it.

I heard high school girls go there for anonymous sex. True?

Brian
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sunny6200 wrote:
if the story is a good thing about my people


wow... you own all the koreans?
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Universalis



Joined: 17 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 5:15 pm    Post subject: Re: kimchi Reply with quote

yodanole wrote:
The thing that really kills me is this. I introduce myself to my students, and I tell them I've lived here 7 years. So, the first question is always this "Have you ever tried kimchi?". If you can show me a foreigner who has been in Korea 7 hours and hasn't had kimchi foisted off on him, I'll be shocked. But 7 years? No kimchi? I couldn't survive that long anyway without my kimchi! And I ain't crazy about Korean food. The other thing is,
after telling my students I've lived in Ulsan 7 years, they suggest "Let's go to Pulguksa (a local temple in Kyongju). Like kimchi, it's absolutely fabulous. But I've been there more than 100 times. I usually tell them I'm so busy.


I've had the same experience.

"How long have you been in Korea?"

"Seven years"

"Oh really! What's your favorite Korean food?"

"Dalkgalbi."

"Wow, you know dalgkalbi!"

I'll be honest... after a few years, I really did my best to avoid any sort of social events (dinner, drinking, etc.) with my students. They were nice, for the most part, but I just got so sick and tired of answering the same questions again and again and again and again. I was tempted to make a Brian in Korea FAQ to hand to students on the first day of class or before we go out:

I've lived in Korea 7 years.
Yes, I like kimchee.
Yes, I can use chopsticks.
Yes, I've tried poshingtang.
Korean girls are very beautiful.
Yes, I like soju.
No, I don't know when I'm going back to America.
Yes, I miss my family.

Jeff (from the Ruminations in Korea blog) had a great post a few months back about what he called the "black box" surrounding the heads of Korean people. In his words:

"Although similar to the western window, the Korean black box is a black-as-midnight anti-matter chamber. New matter enters the black box with only the greatest effort. Once new matter enters the anti-matter black box, there is an initial matter/anti-matter reaction where the new matter is processed and absorbed at a great risk of shock and extreme confusion. Another facet of the black box is that, like a black hole, once something gets put inside the black box, it very seldom, if ever, comes out again."

...

"The black box has been built up and reinforced for thousands of years of Korean culture by various factors, including centuries and centuries of Confucian blind obedience and unquestioning acceptance of anything that is put into the box by elders or social superiors. The box continues to be fed by government officials and mass media. The practical effect of this black box is to set limits and boundaries as to how the individual Korean perceives the world. Unlike the western window that allows a view into the outside world of change, possibility, and new ideas, the Korean black box shields the Korean from the outside world and puts up an impenetrable wall that denies the existence or even possibility of something different outside the box than that which is inside the box. In order to survive and function successfully as a westerner in Korea, it is vitally important to learn to penetrate the black box in such a way that the matter/anti-matter reaction is minimalized and the perceptions that are inside the black box are modified to allow a new point of view or new perception of reality that can include your views and perceptions. As Korea becomes more globalized and exposed to things that are different, the black box is becoming easier and easier to penetrate."

To put it succintly, Koreans believe X about foreigners and it doesn't matter hwo many foreigners they meet that disprove this notion... They will continue to believe it.

Brian
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komtengi



Joined: 30 Sep 2003
Location: Slummin it up in Haebangchon

PostPosted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

narsty dog wrote:

1. telling them about the lesbian park hangout in shinchon ( very young girls)


some more info please....

narsty dog wrote:
9. tell them you know tapkol park was designed by an englishman


Takpol is also a cruising spot for the older homosexual crowd... Nakwon owns the older gay scene, while Itaewon owns the younger one
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jajdude



Joined: 18 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Thu Apr 15, 2004 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read in the paper today that local rice costs about 4 times the amount it costs in the eastern USA. Since Koreans eat a lot of rice that does seem expensive. I guess they import a lot.

I have heard a few Koreans point out that westerners seem to be a lot more concerned with numbers and statistics. Most of us on this board, for instance, probably know the populations of lots of countries, at least within 5-10 million people. Most Koreans probably are not so aware. It just doesn't seem to be something they focus on as much as we do.

I kind of like that "black box" analogy. Old perception-habits can be hard to shake.
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