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[Omkara]

A logic professor once told me that anything follows from a contradiction.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/by_name.html

Here are 398 questions on which the bible contradicts itself. So, on these points, at least, the bible is self-negating.

But then, why would we hold it as an authority on any other subject? It may have the right answer, but since it shows itself to be an insufficient authority owing to the massive number of contradictions, any sane man or woman would appeal to an additional outside source to find moral wisdom.

Now, these internal contraditions are only one category of contradition. Any biblical proposition may contradict objective reality, yet the bible could be perfectly consistent on the point.

The bible is dangerous seen as a moral authority. Since anything follows from a contradiction, anything may be justified.

Spinoza also made the point that to assume every proposition of the bible were true leads inevitably to reading our own views into the scriptures.

Hence, an objective criterion is needed in employing the bible. But, christians tend to reject that criterion, save when it justifies their point. That criterion is the method of science.

[JustJohn]

Yay trolls!

Just for kicks I visited the site and judging from the first screen less than 5% of those deal with moral questions and it kind of sounds like you were saying all of them were.

Clicked on the only one about morality on the first page worth and it was obviously not a contradiction. Come back when you have a condensed version consisting of real contradictions.

[Miles Rationis]

[Omkara]

What I have trouble understanding is this. Why is it so rare to find a Christian willing to sit down and honestly talk about these textual inconsistencies?

As for the first post, I'm not sure why you label this as a troll, unless by that you mean that I intend to invoke emotional responses. But that assumes more about those at whom you assume I aim this post. In this sense, you are correct about the typical response of those who would think this a personal attack. But, you are not correct about my intention. I simply seek honest, well-reasoned discussion.

Many are not directly moral questions. Yet, by implication, they undermine any authority which one may claim of the text. Moreover, the foundations on which the moral questions are based are put therefore into question.

No, this is not a troll. It is an attempt to discuss what is one of the most important questions of our time. So many call the underpinnings of our culture christian. What then does this imply about our culture?

Cherry-picking is the problem. Anything follows from the contradiction. I therefore choose which verses support my objective and bias, then, I teach, form communities, gather funding, become political, influence social policy, set into place laws under which all must live since god is an absolute authority. . .

[Omkara]

And that avatar. . .my lord. . .would I like to do some . . . cherry picking!

[Junior]

[Pink Freud]

[tomato]

Thanks!
I've wondered what the Bible says about the location of God,
but I didn't know where to look.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/zion.html

I never thought about that until I heard two people dispute whether God is in Heaven or whether God is everywhere.

Apparently, the Bible says nothing about God being everywhere.
That must be a belief which arose since the Bible was written.

[Miles Rationis]

[tomato]

On the Evolution thread, one of the believers kept calling us fools.
I tried to tell him that he was "in danger of hell fire."
He didn't address the passage which I quoted, but he responded with a list similar to this one:

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/fool.html

[Junior]

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[Miles Rationis]