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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:45 am    Post subject: Students who think they know more than the teacher Reply with quote

Bugs me when you get a smart arse student who thinks you aren't capable. Happened to day in fact. I had just given back a written assignment that my English major students had completed the previous week. I marked all of them as carefully as I could, and graded them from 1 to 10. The students were 2nd year students, and don't talk too much. Their writing though was surprisingly good. Better in fact than I expected. Anyway I read out two of the best assignments, and carried on with the class. After class though this one particular student has the nerve to come up to me, and ask me how I could have possibly marked all the papers. Tone was real patronizing, kind of implying that I as a conversation teacher couldn't possibly have the ability to do it. Sheesh. Luckily for me I was quite thorough, and I was able to show her where her and all the other good students slipped up, and that shut her up. She in fact was one of the better students, but to her chagrin I graded a few other students better than hers. She didn't like that.

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ratslash



Joined: 08 May 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 3:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

when they try to correct your pronunciation. that winds me up!!!!! Mad
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Mr. Pink



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: China

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:08 am    Post subject: Re: Students who think they know more than the teacher Reply with quote

Medic wrote:
Bugs me when you get a smart arse student who thinks you aren't capable. Happened to day in fact. I had just given back a written assignment that my English major students had completed the previous week. I marked all of them as carefully as I could, and graded them from 1 to 10. The students were 2nd year students, and don't talk too much. Their writing though was surprisingly good. Better in fact than I expected. Anyway I read out two of the best assignments, and carried on with the class. After class though this one particular student has the nerve to come up to me, and ask me how I could have possibly marked all the papers. Tone was real patronizing, kind of implying that I as a conversation teacher couldn't possibly have the ability to do it. Sheesh. Luckily for me I was quite thorough, and I was able to show her where her and all the other good students slipped up, and that shut her up. She in fact was one of the better students, but to her chagrin I graded a few other students better than hers. She didn't like that.


Is this highschool or university?

At my highschool the kids wouldn't dare do something like that. There is a mark for attitude, and you can bet your sweet arse, they would take a hit on that mark for being so disrespectful.



I sometimes have students point out my spelling mistakes on the board, but usually that is because I am writing so fast I forget to add a letter. Never had a student try to correct my pronunciation. They have laughed when I couldn't pronounce a word, but some words we borrow in English can be awkward to pronounce. Names have to the be the WORST thing in the world to pronounce.
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

try these and see what you get..

hot dog - 1/2 american 1/2 british
chuppa chup
aloe
cocoa
pc bang

then tell them they are all wrong with thier korean pronunciation. it is actually.... an yung hay say yo and car sar ham ni dah (stress each syllable)
not fair is it... they can tell us we speak incorrectly but we can't tell them.. kinda funny i spose.. (screw the english on here, this is a chat not a lesson)

best yet is hanmail

makes me mad too bro
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Zed



Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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they would take a hit on that mark for being so disrespectful.

Must be nice.
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Medic



Joined: 11 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Students were university students.

Have gotten the same thing from adults sometimes. Was helping a Korean TOEFL teacher with her notes for her upcoming class. I was actually helping her with the listening part of the exam. She couldn't understand all the stuff, and didn't have a script, so I listened and corrected her material. The stuff was no problem, and was only basic, but she expressed a great deal of surprise that I could understand it as well as I could. Gee Whiz. What kind of impression are they picking up about us English speakers. or is it an arrogance about how good they think they are, because they had to work so hard. Or what.
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wylde



Joined: 14 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i will repeat this.. i have said it many times

korean students work harder than we did when we studied but..... they do not work anywhere near as hard as all this crud i hear about. all this sympathy for the poor korean student Laughing they do longer hours with less work.. seems even to me..

oh yea.. they say they studied all weekend, they're telling you a lie.

when i was in school, a lesson was a lesson... i didnt get chocolate for working hard.. i just had to. my teacher did not have to entertain, he just taught..

if you disagree.. shoot back

it has been proven to me many times

it is used as an arguement as to why korean people are better than the rest of us..

by the way kim chi cures SARS
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ulsanchris



Joined: 19 Jun 2003
Location: take a wild guess

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ever have students wonder what you are talking about when you say fanta. no teacher it is huanta.
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posco's trumpet



Joined: 20 Apr 2003
Location: Beneath the Underdog

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote



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Manner of Speaking



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first teaching contract was in Pusan, and one of my students was an English vampire. She was married, had no job, no kids, and spent about 8 hours every day on her hobby, studying English. Gave everybody serious attitude. She would come to class and test me with Latin phrases like, "what does in loco parentis mean?" Her spoken English was excellent, she didn't need to be at a language school at all. However, she hated foreigners. Hated American soldiers stationed in Korea, felt Korea was best at everything, and had been kicked out of at least three hogwans for arguing with the native English teachers before she came to my school. Apparently that was her real hobby, arguing with foreigners. Managed to put up with me for three months, and was a money-loser for the school because no other student could stand her attitude and would flee the classes she was in.

Bizarre experience, to say the least.
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simulated stereo



Joined: 18 Jan 2003
Location: municipal flat block 18-A Linear North

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Say this in class: "Rural rulers rarely rule regally" and ask them to repeat it. That'll shut 'em up.
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Mosley



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 4:29 pm    Post subject: Deja vu.... Reply with quote

Ha! That's funny, MOS! Sounds almost tit-for-tat like this middle-aged female student I used to have-impressive but annoying as hell. The only difference? She was a Japanese xenophobe, not a Korean one.
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FUBAR



Joined: 21 Oct 2003
Location: The Y.C.

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Manner of Speaking wrote:
My first teaching contract was in Pusan, and one of my students was an English vampire. She was married, had no job, no kids, and spent about 8 hours every day on her hobby, studying English. Gave everybody serious attitude. She would come to class and test me with Latin phrases like, "what does in loco parentis mean?" Her spoken English was excellent, she didn't need to be at a language school at all. However, she hated foreigners. Hated American soldiers stationed in Korea, felt Korea was best at everything, and had been kicked out of at least three hogwans for arguing with the native English teachers before she came to my school. Apparently that was her real hobby, arguing with foreigners. Managed to put up with me for three months, and was a money-loser for the school because no other student could stand her attitude and would flee the classes she was in.

Bizarre experience, to say the least.


I've had it happen twice. Both times it was with students who just returned from Australia. I wouldn't have really cared if he was correcting a spelling mistake that was overlooked. But this guy tried to make me look like an ass in front of the whole class (maybe 12 students)

We were doing languages from differnet countries and I mistakenly wrote that Brazilians spoke Spanish instead of Portuguese.

The student corrected me and then said "How do you not know this? You are English. Are you stupid?"

I was pretty angry but I retorted "Well. Actually, I am Canadian not English. Can you tell me who was the 1st NHL player in Korea to win the Stanley Cup?" When the guy failed to answer, I asked "How can you not know this. He is Korean. You should know this. Are you really Korean?" From that day on no more attempts were made to show me up.
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weatherman



Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Medic wrote:
she expressed a great deal of surprise that I could understand it as well as I could.


I think it is apart of how they socialize and respond to others. She knows you understand, but she doesn't know how to respond to this facet in any other way than how she would if girlfriend's boyfriend bought an expensive gift or something. "Wow wonderful, you are so lucky, I can't believe it" and thoughs kinds of things. Am I being harsh, yes, but to say she really thought you could understand the converservation out of your ablility to use English, would be even more harsh. I swear the more time in Korea, the more I see Koreans can be the most amazing socializers with their own, or the most amazing boot lickers with others, but can not for the life of them have a cross cultural exchange with any kind of grace at all. Very few.... very few.
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Manner of Speaking



Joined: 09 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2003 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FUBAR wrote:


I've had it happen twice. Both times it was with students who just returned from Australia. I wouldn't have really cared if he was correcting a spelling mistake that was overlooked. But this guy tried to make me look like an ass in front of the whole class (maybe 12 students)

We were doing languages from differnet countries and I mistakenly wrote that Brazilians spoke Spanish instead of Portuguese.

The student corrected me and then said "How do you not know this? You are English. Are you stupid?"

I was pretty angry but I retorted "Well. Actually, I am Canadian not English. Can you tell me who was the 1st NHL player in Korea to win the Stanley Cup?" When the guy failed to answer, I asked "How can you not know this. He is Korean. You should know this. Are you really Korean?" From that day on no more attempts were made to show me up.

Right on. Some people should just be slapped. Laughing
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