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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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 Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| DCJames wrote: |
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16GB should be plenty. You won't be able to load you entire library on your Touch at one time, but you'll be able to load a enough content to last you at least a week before having to load new video on there.
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WRONG.
16 GBs let alone 8 GBs is NOTHING when adding video, especially the huge files the iCrap demands you to convert to.
Stop pimping the iCrap into something it's not. |
Emm...I don't know what you've heard, but the converted files aren't going to be any larger than the originals. And pkang0202 qualified his statement that you'll probably be able to hold enough video to get you by for about a week. Honestly, I'm no Apple fan-boy, but there really isn't much reason to hate this generation of iPods.
In previous generations, you could always argue that there was something better/more spacious/better sounding/cheaper. Right now, if you want video, no other dedicated mp3 player really compares with the Touch, and if you want storage capacity, only the zune compares with the Classic 80, and nothing that size has the storage of the Classic 160. Honestly, not really sure what your beef is. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:09 am Post subject: Re: Best MP3 player with Video to purchase in Korea? |
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What about Korean brand MP3/Video players? Any recs? I've seen some with the tv feature built in but since I don't speak Korean that's not important to me at all. Sort of the same with the FM tuner.
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You might not think you need DMB or an FM tuner now but when you do they are very convenient to have. I like to listen to certain radio stations mainly for their dialogues and releases of new songs. Once they start to standardise DMB in other countries there is nothing like watching TV on the move. With Korean Brands like iRiver, Cowon, Maxian etc they are certainly heading in the right direction in media streaming, certaining technologies that could only benefit us consumers.
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Are there any competitors to the Itouch? I have not been able to really find any. I wish the Iphone was in Korea.
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The Jesus phone is great as a PDA-like device I can admit that, but the camera is lacking and Apple's infamous stranglehold on placing restrictions on their devices puts me off for the next version. The video isn't as sharp as my D2 and for some reason youtube looks blocky on the iPhone. Add in the fact that you need to convert the videos using iTunes is kind of troublesome. I have to do that with my D2 to reduce the resolution to 320x240, which don't take too long to do. With the iPhone you have to reduced the resolution and convert the format which takes even longer. I find myself converting a few of my collection such as dramas but not everything (they take up space).
The majority of the Korean PMPs on the other hand requires no such conversion, you just drag and drop the movies into the player and it works just like you drag and drop mp3s into any mp3 player out there.
The video resolution and playback for these players are outstanding.
Short of becoming UMPCs themselves they do a pretty good job of it.
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What are your thoughts? If you were to buy an MP3 / Video product for the playing music and watching video as the primary use what would you go with? Internet access would be of secondary concern for me. |
Personally I would get an ultra-portable notebook with an outstanding battery life. Why settle for a half computer for roughly the same price with half the specs? You still get wireless internet, video conferencing, access to office, development software etc etc. A few years back I had one of these which did the job nicely :
The Korean PMPs are very similar but without the keyboards. Do a couple of youtube searches for Cowon and iRiver stuff. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:17 am Post subject: |
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| BTW, have you seen the LG KU990 Viewty? |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| rocklee wrote: |
| The video isn't as sharp as my D2 and for some reason youtube looks blocky on the iPhone. |
The Touch actually has a slightly higher pixel density than the D2, so it should actually be sharper.
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| Add in the fact that you need to convert the videos using iTunes is kind of troublesome. I have to do that with my D2 to reduce the resolution to 320x240, which don't take too long to do. With the iPhone you have to reduced the resolution and convert the format which takes even longer. |
A) You can use whatever video converter you like. I use Gom Encoder and Nero Recode.
B) The reason it can take longer to convert the movies has more to do with the fact that they are generally a higher resolution (and therefore larger files) than the fact that they are a different format.
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| What are your thoughts? If you were to buy an MP3 / Video product for the playing music and watching video as the primary use what would you go with? Internet access would be of secondary concern for me. |
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| Personally I would get an ultra-portable notebook with an outstanding battery life. Why settle for a half computer for roughly the same price with half the specs? You still get wireless internet, video conferencing, access to office, development software etc etc. |
Well, why settle for 5/8ths of a computer for roughly the same price with 5/8th the specs? Get one of these bad boys:
Put it inside one of these:
Power it with this:
And view with these:
I mean, honestly, great battery life (probably several hours on a full tank of gas) good portability (assuming you are reasonably fit) and will completely blow the doors off any notebook computer or PMP. The choice is simple. Yeah, I know some people value having a device that fits in the palm of your hand, slips easily into a pants pocket, and has a great variety of features for the form factor. Clearly, rocklee is not one of those people, and as you can see from my ultimate portable device, neither am I. |
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eamo
Joined: 08 Mar 2003
Location: Shepherd's Bush, 1964.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:55 am Post subject: |
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 That's funny......
The line has been blurred nowadays as to what is 'portable'. What should it fit into? Shirtpocket? Jeans front pocket? Jacket pocket?
I'm happy with anything small enough for a jacket pocket, but can still do internet, GPS, audio/video without conversion. That means a full PMP. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: |
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| Thunndarr wrote: |
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| The video isn't as sharp as my D2 and for some reason youtube looks blocky on the iPhone. |
The Touch actually has a slightly higher pixel density than the D2, so it should actually be sharper.
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But its not. A divx movie on a 15 inch monitor compared to an 8 inch should actually be sharper, but is it?
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A) You can use whatever video converter you like. I use Gom Encoder and Nero Recode.
B) The reason it can take longer to convert the movies has more to do with the fact that they are generally a higher resolution (and therefore larger files) than the fact that they are a different format.
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Maybe you should read it again. Mine is a one step process, your's is two. Obviously you take longer, and in a lot of other things too.
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Well, why settle for 5/8ths of a computer for roughly the same price with 5/8th the specs? Get one of these bad boys:
BLAH BLAH BLAH
I mean, honestly, great battery life (probably several hours on a full tank of gas) good portability (assuming you are reasonably fit) and will completely blow the doors off any notebook computer or PMP. The choice is simple. Yeah, I know some people value having a device that fits in the palm of your hand, slips easily into a pants pocket, and has a great variety of features for the form factor. Clearly, rocklee is not one of those people, and as you can see from my ultimate portable device, neither am I. |
I'm amazed you actually took the time to write that rubbish, could it be that you actually considered the idea of looking like a total wank and maybe still do?
I have used PMPs and PDAs for a long time and it has come down to this, to me a notebook will always do the job better for all the things that current PMPs and compu-phones are trying to do today. I've done the "iTunes-to-device" thing already, it was called a Clie and that was 6 years ago. Nothing much has changed has it?
I don't say much in endorsing brands or whatever but merely giving a recommendation on things tend to bring out strange people from another world sometimes. |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:07 am Post subject: |
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But its not. A divx movie on a 15 inch monitor compared to an 8 inch should actually be sharper, but is it?
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Do you even know what pixel density is? Clearly, you do not. The more pixels per square inch, the sharper display is going to be. The Touch has a slightly greater pixel density than the D2, therefore, regardless of what you may think (which, by the way, you don't seem to be very good at) the Touch does, in fact, have a sharper image than the D2. Anything else is just you being the biased anti-Apple crusader you are.
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| B) The reason it can take longer to convert the movies has more to do with the fact that they are generally a higher resolution (and therefore larger files) than the fact that they are a different format. |
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| Maybe you should read it again. Mine is a one step process, your's is two. Obviously you take longer, and in a lot of other things too. |
You obviously don't know what you are talking about. I'm pretty sure you aren't a computer programmer, and I'm pretty sure you don't know sweet F'all about what exactly happens when a video is converted. I mean, you seem to think that it first converts the file to the appropriate format, and then it resizes it to the appropriate resolution in a completely seperate step. Um, no. That is just wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
Just yesterday, for shits and giggles, I encoded, using Gom Encoder, a video 3 seperate ways just to find out how long it would take. Using default settings, I encoded the video for D2, iPod, and Touch. (The only difference between the regular iPod and the Touch is the resolution.
The original file size was 170 megabytes.
Converting for the D2 took 96 seconds, and gave a file size of 90 megabytes, so it converted roughly 1 megabyte per second.
Converting for the iPod (320*240 rez mp4) took 100 seconds and gave a file size of 89 megabytes, converting just under 1 megabyte per second.
Converting for the Touch (480*320) took about 140 seconds and spit out a file 133 megabytes, again, converting just under 1 megabyte per second.
LIKE I SAID, it has more to do with resolution and the accordingly larger file size than it does about format.
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| I'm amazed you actually took the time to write that rubbish, could it be that you actually considered the idea of looking like a total wank and maybe still do? |
Sorry, rocklee, but a guy who jumps into an mp3 thread with a "my computer is better than your mp3" pissing contest mentality is always going to be the number 1 wanker around here. Or have you forgotten this:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=110702&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15
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I have used PMPs and PDAs for a long time and it has come down to this, to me a notebook will always do the job better for all the things that current PMPs and compu-phones are trying to do today. I've done the "iTunes-to-device" thing already, it was called a Clie and that was 6 years ago. Nothing much has changed has it?
I don't say much in endorsing brands or whatever but merely giving a recommendation on things tend to bring out strange people from another world sometimes. |
What makes your Cowon D2 a better device than the iPod Touch? If memory serves correctly, you paid 260,000 won for your D2? Which, IIRC, was the non-DMB version with 4 megabytes of memory? And no wi-fi either. And yet, I seem to recall that you raved on and on about that device and how great it was. Let's take a stroll down memory lane:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/korea/viewtopic.php?t=82207&highlight=cowon
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| You can get it at 2GB or 4GB capacity and with or without DMB. I didn't need DMB so I just got the 4GB version, costing me $260,000. If you want everything on it then its about $360,000. Get a 4GB or 8GB SD card and you've got a pretty good setup. Thankfully my Nikon takes SD cards so everything is all good. |
Seems to be a bit of a contradiction to be so incredibly in favor of one do-it-all device and yet have nothing but bad things to say about another. |
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rocklee
Joined: 04 Oct 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:28 am Post subject: |
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| Thunndarr wrote: |
Do you even know what pixel density is? Clearly, you do not. The more pixels per square inch, the sharper display is going to be. The Touch has a slightly greater pixel density than the D2, therefore, regardless of what you may think (which, by the way, you don't seem to be very good at) the Touch does, in fact, have a sharper image than the D2. Anything else is just you being the biased anti-Apple crusader you are.
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Pixel density? I know what it is but where have you been? I've used dot pitch as with many other for several decades. I think I know what I'm on about. You basically pulled your info off the Apple website didn't you?
Can the people who really do believe in Apple's marketing raise your hands? Pin drops.
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You obviously don't know what you are talking about. I'm pretty sure you aren't a computer programmer, and I'm pretty sure you don't know sweet F'all about what exactly happens when a video is converted. I mean, you seem to think that it first converts the file to the appropriate format, and then it resizes it to the appropriate resolution in a completely seperate step. Um, no. That is just wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
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I think someone is trying to deny something here and it isn't me. I'm not going to say what I know about video and audio conversion but it is enough for what I need. I stated that I only need to convert the resolution , which include decoding the original and recoding it with the new screen size and layout. You need to convert it to a totally different codec and resolution making it a 2 step process. Can you at least get that through your thick head?
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Just yesterday, for shits and giggles, I encoded, using Gom Encoder, a video 3 seperate ways just to find out how long it would take. Using default settings, I encoded the video for D2, iPod, and Touch. (The only difference between the regular iPod and the Touch is the resolution.
The original file size was 170 megabytes.
Converting for the D2 took 96 seconds, and gave a file size of 90 megabytes, so it converted roughly 1 megabyte per second.
Converting for the iPod (320*240 rez mp4) took 100 seconds and gave a file size of 89 megabytes, converting just under 1 megabyte per second.
Converting for the Touch (480*320) took about 140 seconds and spit out a file 133 megabytes, again, converting just under 1 megabyte per second.
LIKE I SAID, it has more to do with resolution and the accordingly larger file size than it does about format.
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The jury is out! This guy has now proven that with the magical iPod you not only get a "sharper" picture but your decoding time is also much faster with an Apple! WOOPEEDOO!!
I tried decoding an 87mb video using my encoder comparing DIVX and MP4 and this was what I got (ok so my notebook is old, on wireless now) :
1:20 - DIVX - The.Orphanage[El.Orfanato][2007]DvDrip[preview]DivX.avi
5:13 - MP4 - The.Orphanage[El.Orfanato][2007]DvDrip[preview]DivX.avi
If you were a programmer you would know that not every encoder works in the same way with the same algorithms to converting between codecs. But obviously you're not.
That's your role not mine. Mine is to share my D2 experiences nothing more and nothing less. You make everything into an issue like a little girl.
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What makes your Cowon D2 a better device than the iPod Touch? If memory serves correctly, you paid 260,000 won for your D2? Which, IIRC, was the non-DMB version with 4 megabytes of memory? And no wi-fi either. And yet, I seem to recall that you raved on and on about that device and how great it was.
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It is still a great product to me so what?
My D2 has 4GB of internal disk space dumbass not 4MB of memory. If you are thinking of expansion then it has a 4GB memory card in it as well.
So mine doesn't have wifi out of the box, does that mean I lose?
I'm not too hung up on wifi but if I wanted then I can just add an wifi SD card and use some 3rd party network browser to browse the net or something. Its not something that software can't do is it?
And it has been a great product for me because the battery life has been great, it is extremely rugged, the microphone and recording features came in handy, SD card reader was useful for transferring data between devices and computers when I was on the move. Its portable and unassuming, heard but not seen.
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Seems to be a bit of a contradiction to be so incredibly in favor of one do-it-all device and yet have nothing but bad things to say about another. |
You're the one with the major problem, I'd say seek help. |
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Thunndarr
Joined: 30 Sep 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Pixel density? I know what it is but where have you been? I've used dot pitch as with many other for several decades. I think I know what I'm on about. You basically pulled your info off the Apple website didn't you?
Can the people who really do believe in Apple's marketing raise your hands? Pin drops. |
Clearly, as illustrated by your meaningless question "A divx movie on a 15 inch monitor compared to an 8 inch should actually be sharper, but is it?" you have no idea what pixel density actually means.
Secondly, I notice you can't actually refute what I've said so you're accusing Apple of just fudging the numbers. Yeah, and I'm sure the conspiracy on that is so widespread that every technology website and blog is in on it and that's why we haven't heard about Apple's big lie.
OR, I'm right. But really, could be either one.
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| You need to convert it to a totally different codec and resolution making it a 2 step process. Can you at least get that through your thick head? |
I've got it through my "thick" head that that is what you think what happens, but that just doesn't make it so. Did you know that you don't need to change the resolution on the ipod Touch? Yeah, that's right, I can leave stuff at the native resolution when I convert it. I guess that would make it a "one step" process even in your demented world. And you know what? Encoding time is still mostly dependent on resolution and file size. Which I said. You lose.
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| If you were a programmer you would know that not every encoder works in the same way with the same algorithms to converting between codecs. But obviously you're not. |
And if you weren't a mucus drooling idiot, you would know that I didn't even address this non-issue. You're the one who made the claim that encoding takes so much longer for the Touch because of the "two-step" process. Git.
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| That's your role not mine. Mine is to share my D2 experiences nothing more and nothing less. You make everything into an issue like a little girl. |
Yeah, you definitely don't troll Apple threads. Not at all.
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It is still a great product to me so what?
My D2 has 4GB of internal disk space dumbass not 4MB of memory. If you are thinking of expansion then it has a 4GB memory card in it as well. |
Typo, assclown, typo. But I'll give you an easy one, that's pretty much all you've got going so far in this thread. No, the problem with you is that you are such an unbelievable hypocrite, and the fact that you are only semi-educated just completely exacerbates the problem.
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| And it has been a great product for me because the battery life has been great, it is extremely rugged, the microphone and recording features came in handy, SD card reader was useful for transferring data between devices and computers when I was on the move. Its portable and unassuming, heard but not seen. |
Lots of gushing about this product I see. But, didn't you just say that:
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| Personally I would get an ultra-portable notebook with an outstanding battery life. Why settle for a half computer for roughly the same price with half the specs? You still get wireless internet, video conferencing, access to office, development software etc etc. |
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| You're the one with the major problem, I'd say seek help. |
Says the guy with the pathological need to troll Apple threads. |
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