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[PGF]

F visas and those who dare to teach privates via recruiters:

I interviewed with a recruiter in Bucheon for a job in Incheon, near my apt.
The next day, the recruiter and myself went to the factory I was to be teaching at. We agreed on 50/hr, at the time.

Tonight, the day before I am to start, I called the recruiter and said that I needed 60/hr to cover travel expenses. He huffed and puffed and said that Andrew, the former teacher, only demand 55/hr. So, I said why would you give him 55 and me 50? Who keeps the rest? Then I asked, "how much are you getting and what exactly are you doing for what you are getting"?

He hung up, called my wife and agreed to 60/hr.

He said that he was a businessman,to my wife, and that I wasn't because I changed my price, LOL

Anyway, this *beep* must be getting 100/hr and paying me 50-60. His excuse to my wife was that he is paying taxes. What's that? 6%? if he's paying my taxes, which I am sure he isn't......

So, he rolled over on the 50/hr pretty fast and gave me 60. Next month, if the class goes good, I'm pushing up to 65/hr. What choice would he have if the student wants me? I'm going to push this all the way to 80 and see where I get.

I'll keep you posted.

[PRagic]

So you meet a recruiter, are introduced to a client on-site, agree to a wage and a job, then decide you want more money for transportation. You then declare that you will raise your rate as the recruiter may be making too much off of you. All this after you make an agreement.

And you want support from us? Not going to get it.

Think about things before you make an agreement. Why hadn't you considered transporation fees before? Why hadn't you asked the recruiter about his cut?

Live and learn. Next time do your homework, make a better deal, and stick to it.

[Cheonmunka]

If possible I don't use recruiters. I prefer to do myself and my students a favor.
PS: You didn't re-negotiate at the last minute - was the night before. I think that is still negotiation time.
In fact, if you turned up to class and didn't like what you see you could also negotiate or be willing to walk away.
You don't choose a job sight-unseen.

[bellum99]

I have no pity for the headhunters (pimps). They are all slime.

[PRagic]

Don't get me wrong; all recruiters are shitebaggers. But given the exact situation described by the OP, I don't think he deserves any high praise. On the contrary, he mishandled the situation and can learn from it.

And I agree that it is always best to NOT work through a recruiter.

[bassexpander]

If there was no physical contract signed, then I would say it's OK to demand more. If you made a contract with the guy, then you should stick to the contract.

[PRagic]

An oral agreement is contractually binding, even in Korea.

And come on. He went to the company, he met the boss, he agreed on a price....and then to renegotiate? Bad business. No pat on the back from me.

[bassexpander]

[PRagic]

Good questions: Ask the OP.

Oral agreements are binding here. There has to be a witness, and it is of course beneficial to get it in writing, though.

Look, I just get sick of hearing stories from people who make agreements and then go back on them when they feel that they could be getting a better deal.

Case 1: A poster who negotiates for a 100K/month pay raise at a hakwon, then gets ticked when the new instructors make the same.

Case 2: A poster who agrees to teach a class for a certain amount, then decides they want more because of additional expenses.

Case 3: A poster who accepts a job, signs a contract, and then wants to skate after a few months because a better offer comes along.

These situations are all too common here on this board, and it is disenheartenting. Do your freakin homework, people, and if the agreement has been executed in good faith by the second party, suck it up and finish up.

[Cheonmunka]

I am of a mixed mind. I think back of all the hours and work I did for an institute that I sucked up for four years, you know, 7 am leave home 9 pm come home... It took everything it could out of me and in the end pooed me out like the morning's fart. If I went back I'd tell the boss what a bastard he is. That's when I think back ....
I am one for sticking to a deal, but, nowadays if conditions aren't ripe, even after starting there, I walk. If it doesn't meet my expectations I make a few demands knowing full well that I will walk if they are not met.
I re-read and see that the op went to the workplace. Well, I think in that case it's a bit hard to ask for more money for transport. You can better the conditions but more money for that ... umm. I'll give you an example for asking for more money: You originally settled on 10 students but was raised to 12 or 13 on your start day without you knowing. That's askable.
However, you can do what you want. That's a free World. Goddamned good luck.
Year of the fucking rat.
Do you love the swear filter?

[bassexpander]

Again, if no days were specified as to how long he would work at this place for 50,000, then he is welcome to ask for more money the next time around.

All the recruiter has to do is say, "no."

If the recruiter can pay it, then he can pay it.

If the OP doesn't want to continue work there, then he doesn't have to.

On another note, the likelihood of a recruiter (who probably operates illegally and forgoes paying any tax on these jobs) suing you over illegal work is pretty remote.

[jiyull]

I'm still not sure what are the qualifications for a F-series visa, so many people/sites are saying different things...

And...what the heck does OP...yeah I'm a n00b

[PGF]

Basically, I've been teaching privates in SK for over a year now. I've found all the privates myself, bar two, which I found through recruiters.

For those who do not know.... When you get a "company" job through a recruiter, you are paid by the recruiter, not the company. So, the recruiter gets 40-50% of what the companies pay you EVERY MONTH ( not once) and they do NOTHING for as long as you teach the class. They collect money from your job and pay you and that's it.

If that's cool with you, then fine... It's not cool with me. It's a shiite system. Recruiters/head hunters should get paid ONCE and then part ways.

I'll f uck over any recruiter that's brave enough to leach my money from me.
You won't? good for you... people like you, make people like me rich.... grow a pair Nancy.

My post is not asking for support. It is to serve those of use who want to make money... something to show those of us capitalists/ entrepreneurs what may be possible....

If I get past 70K without the recruiter telling me NO, it'll be extraordinary... SO, like minded greedy, money hungry guys keep posted....

[Netz]

[SuperHero]