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Suwoner10
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agentX
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Location: Jeolla province
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Oh come on!
Yes, it's a powerful piece of equipment, but the 'black holes' being generated won't be anywhere near powerful enough to last long enough to do damage.
Look, we're not gonna be huddled up in HomePlus, with the religious wackos from Conservapedia on one side trying to stab us over the last bag WheatChips, and the insects/tentaclemonsters/superspiders/thatbigthingwheretheflyingaliens werenestingon outside clawing to get in.
However, concerns over these scientific experiments should give the 'mad scientists' of CERN something to consider- putting the next big supercollider on the moon. That'd be pretty cool. |
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yawarakaijin
Joined: 08 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:40 am Post subject: |
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| I can't think of a cooler way to die than being consumed by a black hole! Bring it on baby! |
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Suwoner10
Joined: 10 Dec 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 2:21 am Post subject: |
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| yawarakaijin wrote: |
| I can't think of a cooler way to die than being consumed by a black hole! Bring it on baby! |
It actually says a possibility would be to get sucked in an spit out "as we are" without getting ripped apart. But we could end up a few centimeters adrift, or perhaps at another corner of the universe.
Here's another possibility:
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Your idea that the creation of a mini black-hole could be a wonderful experience where we all get teleported to another corner of the Universe is quite fantastic. Unfortunately, I don�t believe that you are correct. Here are a few reasons why:
1: In the very unlikely event you happened across an LHC mini black-holes with zero kinetic energy, it would not act like a Star Trek transporter where your whole body would flash away at once. We�re talking mini, which means that only a tiny portion of your body would enter at once. Whether that portion of your body is compacted down or extruded out somewhere in the universe, it would be extremely painful. If you were extruded out, you�d most likely resemble a noodle of hamburger than what you are today.
Yes, there are unverified theories that suggest that black-holes have �memory,� i.e., if some material is popped out (somehow/somewhere) it will resemble the material that entered. Consider: when a food-processor extrudes noodles or hamburger through tiny holes �memory� is perfect, i.e., the hamburger produced is chemically identical to living cow flesh. To make a cow again, you�d also need both perfect reconstructive assemblage and the transference of this thing called �life.� This is an extremely far stretch. Even if �memory,� perfect reconstruction, and life/spirit were transferred, you would have just been transported before the rest of the planet�doomed to perish in a void, long before the rest of the planet arrives. Even if you could �live� in that new corner of the Universe, you would soon be entombed by the rubble of the rest of the planet as it follows you through the hole.
2: If you did come in contact with an LHC produced mini black-hole, it is far more likely that it would have kinetic energy. In that case, it would likely eat a hole through you as it passes�much like a mini bullet, with less splatter.
3: Any stable black-holes produced by that machine will not hang around on the surface for very long. Rather, they too will feel the force of gravity and sink into the Earth. As they go, they will consume. Once at the core, hour-glass effects will be in place. Competing grains will hinder the progress of others, causing the process to be extended over decades. Very few, if any, humans will live long enough to feel their bodies consumed by the mini Beast. �Life� on the surface will be very difficult as the planet implodes on itself. The Earth will sink, oceans slosh, crust buckle, and lava/toxic gases will spew from the cracks as the planet continually readjusts to a decreased need for surface area. Most, if not all, will die in this process.
4: If you are unfortunate to live through this turmoil, you will still die long before reaching the consuming Beast at the Core. As the Earth�s radius decreases, the force your body will feel from gravity will exponentially increase. Eventually, that gravitational force will be so strong that it will overpower your muscles, break your bones, and press you into pulp.
5: All empirical evidence favors the trash-compactor model of black-holes, not the transporter one. Given the enormous number of observed black-holes (a supermassive one at the centers of all known galaxies), if they were transporters, then we should observe matter popping into existence somewhere within the visible Universe�but we do not. Also, known black-holes formed from supernovae appear to retain their gravitational interactions with neighboring objects, which suggest that the mass is still present in that one spot�compacted, not transported away.
Sorry to dash your dreams, but all probable scenarios concerning stable black-holes are both gruesome and deadly. I realize that the idea of a black-hole transporter motif is extensively used by Sci-Fi. The reason is that it makes interesting story-lines, not because it is great science. The problem with Sci-Fi is that it suspends some aspect of known science to create a rosy picture where nobody feels pain, strange far-away worlds can be explored, and the good-guys always live to fire their phasers another day. In the real world, where all aspects of science come into play, some scenarios have no happy endings. That said, the current juncture is a crossroads, not a predetermined outcome. Yes, one path is 100% dreadful. However, there is another path still open to us. Though I have no scientific or logical explanation to back up this next statement, but I truly believe that if we do forego starting this silly machine, a new age of peace, prosperity, and scientific advancement will begin. |
from the comments section of same article. |
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Leslie Cheswyck
Joined: 31 May 2003
Location: University of Western Chile
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:19 am Post subject: |
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| Max out that credit card. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| They will be? No. They might. Even if they do, they will collapse ASAP and emit Hawking radiation. |
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