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igotthisguitar
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Location: South Korea (Permanent Vacation)
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
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web of lies that so many others such as yourself seem to
so proudly call home sweet home |
Your posts are like pure light, and it burns! It burns!  |
For once we are in an agreement. I should really get back on my medication. |
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mithridates
Joined: 03 Mar 2003
Location: President's office, Korean Space Agency
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:22 am Post subject: |
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This one's about North Carolina but I don't want to start a whole new thread.
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| In North Carolina, Barack Obama has opened up a twenty-three percentage point lead over Hillary Clinton. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that Obama attracts 56% of the vote while Clinton earns 33%. A month ago, Obama�s lead was just seven percentage points. |
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Milwaukiedave
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Since the PPP poll came out, there have been two other polls, Morning Call put Clinton at +11 and Insider Advantage put her +3. It's hard to tell with the wild swings between the different polls. If I had to guess, Clinton is probably still up about by about 5-8%.
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
This one's about North Carolina but I don't want to start a whole new thread.
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| In North Carolina, Barack Obama has opened up a twenty-three percentage point lead over Hillary Clinton. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey finds that Obama attracts 56% of the vote while Clinton earns 33%. A month ago, Obama�s lead was just seven percentage points. |
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Yeah I understand, it's not really worth posting another thread. We should just turn this one thread into a "Upcoming States Poll Discussion" or "Penn, NC, Indiana Poll Discussion".
I think Obama will win NC by a large margin, but I'd be shocked if it were by that much. Also remember that Rasmussen Poll would leave 11% undecided, which makes me cautious. |
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Czarjorge
Joined: 01 May 2007
Location: I now have the same moustache, and it is glorious.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| If it happens it'll probably destory the party, but hey, I'm not sure that's such a bad thing. |
It may not be such a bad thing, but the idea of four more years of republicans running the show depresses the ever-liivng he!! out of me. My country's been run into the ground for the past 8 years and i don't want another four more years of the party that did it, continuing to do it. Regardless of that, if the Dems get the White House, they're inheriting a colossal mess which the Republicans will spin as the Dems fault for the next 4 years. It's a Catch 22. |
As someone that's planning to come in Korea shortly I'm not sure I care if the Reps win again. I think best case scenario for real, lasting and longterm, change would be for the Dems to screw up this time, awarding the nomination to Hillary who goes down in flames.
Then the liberals and left of center Democrats can either highjack the Democratic party, or even better start their own party. You'd have the Clintons, Lieberman, and other pseudo-Democrats/liberals as the Democratic party and Obama and others, probably even Mr. "YEEEAWWAHHH" himself would jump ship, could unite all the disparate liberal and progressive political movements in this country behind one banner.
The Reps might even fall apart if McCain is as socially liberal has he's hinted toward in the past. McCain will clearly make things worse as the war continues to spiral out of control along with the economy. Making certain of his inevitable single term Presidency.
Then Obama or Edwards can run as the new party's candidate and make real change. Starting with the systematic devouring of the rich, both figuratively and literally.
Clearly, this is MY best case scenario, but the bit about the Dems splitting is a definite possibility if the Clintons conspire to high jack the party electoral process. Hell, we might even have a chance to do away with the electoral college while the political landscape is in such turmoil. |
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Milwaukiedave
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
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| Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Wow... I dare say the pendulum has swung all the way.
Is she really thinking it'll swing back in her favor by the time of the convention? |
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agentX
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:47 am Post subject: |
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Unless she wins PA by 15%, its over. There's no way she's gonna convince all of Obama's superdelegates to switch to her, and with NC and OR in the box for Obama, Clinton would need an overwhelming majority of superdelegates to win. Eventually she's gonna reach the mathematical limit, where Obama's delegate count and superdelegate count cannot be surpassed with the remaining superdelegates.
The polls are all over the place, but they're all trending in the same general direction for Clinton, down. After this Mark Penn fiasco, how is gonna convince the superdelegates that she's the best candidate? |
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Milwaukiedave
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I would go as far as saying Oregon is a sure thing, but it certainly looks good. NC might be a safer bet to make a claim about.
Based on the latest polls I've seen, Indiana is close, Kentucky and WV there is no way Obama will win.
It looks like Penn, Indiana and Oregon could be the decisive states at least in terms of being close. |
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Tiger Beer
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:46 am Post subject: |
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| Milwaukiedave wrote: |
I would go as far as saying Oregon is a sure thing, but it certainly looks good. NC might be a safer bet to make a claim about.
Based on the latest polls I've seen, Indiana is close, Kentucky and WV there is no way Obama will win.
It looks like Penn, Indiana and Oregon could be the decisive states at least in terms of being close. |
Seems like everything west of the Mississippi seems to generally be going in Obama's favor. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| Oregon is a sure thing. I always laughed at those who predicted Clinton would win here. The Oregon Democratic Party is as representative of Obama's base as it is possible to be. Oregonians hated the DLC before hating the DLC was cool. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 10:23 am Post subject: |
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Clinton widens her lead in PA: SUSA has her at 56-38 now, an eighteen-point lead.
It's a bit puzzling, because nothing in the news seems to predict voter movement to Clinton, but she has been campaigning hard in the state and perhaps that's paying off.
Obama is not going to win PA. If he holds Clinton to a ten-point win, it'll be the best he can hope for. |
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W.T.Carl
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| Obama is dead meat in PA. He is down to Hillary by 20 points. That crack he made to that crowd in SF is coming back to bite him in the butt. But he wasn't being elitist; he was being marxists, and that might play well in 'Frisco, but in rest of the country no way. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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| W.T.Carl wrote: |
| Obama is dead meat in PA. He is down to Hillary by 20 points. That crack he made to that crowd in SF is coming back to bite him in the butt. But he wasn't being elitist; he was being marxists, and that might play well in 'Frisco, but in rest of the country no way. |
LOL. Marxist.
What's even funnier about this is that Bill Kristol devoted an entire column to it in the New York Times.
And you guys say Obama has a condescension problem. Only a stone-cold idiot would believe that the nominee of a major American political party is a Marxist, and unfortunately for you, most Americans are not stone-cold idiots. |
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Milwaukiedave
Joined: 02 Oct 2004
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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SNK,
Let them believe what they want. Pretty soon some people are going to wake up and realize what's going on. |
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