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[nicholas_chiasson]

[bucheon bum]

After reading that article, it is clear Ms. Fredell is intimidated and fearful of sex. She's using chastity as a way to avoid it. And I think a lot of people who cling to virginity are the same way. Not all by any means, but many. Nothing wrong with that as long as you finally face that fear and overcome it. One person who doesn't have that issue is Mr. Keliher. Given his past, I can understand why he is dedicated to remaining a virgin.

[stevemcgarrett]

In a rare moment of actual response, twg said:

[stillnotking]

[twg]

Acting like a windbag* as usual, Steve blew hard:

[Kuros]

[flakfizer]

[crescent]

[Enrico Palazzo]

Fellows, what's up with this windbag ass comment directed at Steve, and Crescent and Twg it is a Current Events forum, do some discussing, not dissing. Twg using profanity toward another user is a bit untoward, and I am not saying Steve hasn't used this or that. We can't see everything.
Posters, if you see something report. And please do clean up the place.



Thanks...

We said, play the ball; not the player.... It means you hit the ball, not the player and cause players to come out of the dug out....

Santa Maria!

[peppermint]

I read the article in question a few days ago, and couldn't help but feel sorry for Miss Fredell. Putting so much focus on the wedding night generally leads to a whole lot of unrealistic expectations, and a massive letdown during the honeymoon. For guys, it all comes easy, so to speak. For most women it's more a matter of practice makes perfect.

[Adventurer]

Peppermint, I am not sure that sex is easier for women or for men. That is hard to say. If both the male and female if they haven't experience at all it could be difficult.

Anyway, I wouldn't really look at a woman whether she is a virgin or not a virgin. Her purity comes from her attitude rather than if she engaged in intercourse. Anyway, males are not prized for their virginity in cultures.
It is very often used as a tool to control females. I have respect for a woman who wants to be a virgin, because of her religious principles.
There is nothing wrong with that that at all, but it doesn't make her better than someone who isn't one. I don't think it is backward for someone to prize their virginity. I just don't think it should be used for someone to feel self-righteous, that's all.

[twg]

[little mixed girl]

when it comes to teaching kids about sex, i say teach them about it, and say that the best way to make sure you're not going to get something is to not have sex.

i don't think that there's anything wrong with being a virgin.
some people are too eager to have sex, and they get messed up emotionally.
teach people that if they are going to have sex, it should be safe sex.
but, let's not encourage kids to have sex.

oh, and if you (male or female) make the decision to wait, do it because YOU want to. don't do it because your friends or parents or religion want you to, do it because it's something that YOU want to do.

not every person who is a virgin is a virgin because god said so, why not do it with someone you feel comfortable with. rather than someone who was just there.

[arjuna]

A related article you might find interesting:

Prada prostitutes
April 2008 | 145 � Reviews �

http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=10096

Memoirs by high-class hookers may be cartoonish, but no less so than accounts that cast prostitutes as victims of rapacious male sexuality. There are many types of prostitute, just as there are many reasons for men to visit them. A grown-up debate about sexuality must acknowledge this

Howard Jacobson

"The first thing you should know is that I'm a wh0re."
Belle de Jour: The Intimate Adventures of a London Call Girl (Phoenix)

"A field study in nine countries showed that between 60 and 75 per cent of women in prostitution had been raped, between 70 and 95 per cent had been physically assaulted, and 68 per cent displayed symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder in the same range as combat veterans and victims of torture."
Joan Smith, The Independent, 27th December 2007

"Another thing that distinguishes a ladylike working girl is her groomed and tidy muff. Clients know you make your money with your pvssy, but a freshly waxed, beautifully maintained pvssy sends a message: You spend money on your pvssy."
Tracy Quan, Diary of a Manhattan Call Girl (HarperPerennial)

Georges Bataille's outlined sequel to his erotic novel Story of the Eye is pitilessly direct: "After fifteen years of more and more serious debauchery, Simone ends up in a torture camp� She dies as though making love� fever and agony transfigure her." Pauline R�age, author of Story of O, likewise envisaged death as an alternative ending to O's exalted degradation. But it isn't really an alternative ending. It is the only ending. There is nowhere else for O's eroticism to go.

You can't mess around with sex, in life or in literature. It is never not serious. When a man denies the significance of an adultery with the line, "It didn't matter to me," and the wronged woman replies, "Then why did you do it?", they both miss the point. Everything in sex matters, including the experience of its not mattering. Isn't that what O pursues, the sensation of nothing mattering, least of all herself? And isn't that why some men visit prostitutes, for the intense experience of abnegation associated with payment, for which next to nothing is given and next to nothing is felt?

[...]

The sexual instinct will not stay still for anybody. It would be foolish to deny that the transactional nature of sex with a prostitute will encourage some men to act brutally, but violence is by no means intrinsic to the transaction. Some men visit prostitutes to "use," others to be used. There isn't one of these diarists who doesn't joke about the submissives and quiescents that make up much of her client list. "Do they do this just to get on your nerves?" Tracy Quan wonders, unable to bear for another minute the sight of client Colin on his knees, whimpering, "Yes, Mistress, yes, Mistress." The exchange of money is freighted with meaning; for one man it will confer rights, for another it will take all rights away, make not her but him cheap, signal his desire to abjure his masculinity. Others go because they're desperate, because, like Stephen in A Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man, they don't know how else to find initiation into adulthood. Loneliness will make a man pay for sex, as will sorrow, confusion, the longing to enjoy erotic company for a brief hour or less. As well, yes, as plain old pleasure-seeking, because you have money in your pocket and not much else to do, and she is there and happy to take it, and whatever you both think about yourselves the next day, pleasure without a single impulse to cause suffering is what you're after.

If it is inhumane to belittle the miseries of the prostitute, it is no less inhumane to minimise the miseries that make some men their clients. There is at least this to be said about the Prada call girls with their obliging mouths and vaginas�along with the freedoms they insist on for themselves, they grant men the freedom to be creatures of desire. Why, when all is said and done, should a prostitute not be touched by a man's shyness or ineptitude or sadness, or made curious by his turning up in her room looking for he doesn't know what, or excited when on rare occasions what he does want coincides with what she does? Is the battlefield so unforgiving that none of this is conceivable, and that any man who goes out looking for such an eventuality must be treated as a criminal?

And does it not demean a woman, every bit as much as it demeans a man, to position her either as victim of men's appetites or as fantasist of them?