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Khenan
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| Does this mean I can finally have his guns? |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Great actor?
Uhm. No. Heston played himself in every single one of his movies, even when grossly inappropriate (Ten Commandments). He wasn't really an "actor" at all, he was merely a movie star. Big difference.
Still, he was a Presence, and there was at least one movie (Planet of the Apes) that would have been much diminished without him. I've never been able to stand Ben Hur, myself -- the projection of 1950s American culture and sensibilities onto the ancient world was just too jarring. |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:27 am Post subject: |
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Most movie stars are not actors in a real sense. Most are just playing themselves, 20 feet tall, most of the time. It's a matter of casting.
I think this could make a good discussion, but not on a thread dedicated to the recent death of a man--it's unseemly. How about starting a thread about the difference between actors and movie stars? |
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stevemcgarrett
Joined: 24 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:46 am Post subject: |
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stillnotking panned:
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| Uhm. No. Heston played himself in every single one of his movies, even when grossly inappropriate (Ten Commandments). He wasn't really an "actor" at all, he was merely a movie star. Big difference. |
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| Most movie stars are not actors in a real sense. Most are just playing themselves, 20 feet tall, most of the time. It's a matter of casting. I think this could make a good discussion, but not on a thread dedicated to the recent death of a man--it's unseemly. How about starting a thread about the difference between actors and movie stars? |
Leave it to the Grumpy Old Men in The Muppets peanut gallery to voice their discontent as if they're on the faculty of the Actor's Studio in New York. Really, gents, you missed your calling.
Part of me doesn't want to dignify your posts with a comment. But let me say this: Heston was a well-received Broadway actor and Shakespearian before he took on the Biblical roles. I doubt many of today's actors can claim this fame. Moreover, he was recognized by the Academy (consisting of actors like Gregory Peck and Marlon Brando) as the Best Actor in 1960. Those little Oscars didn't come cheaply then; the media hype was far less a factor too.
If you'd bother to read both his autobiography and biographies you'd know that he was usually much different away from the cameras. So his film persona was not merely his life writ large, as you would have us believe.
So you can spout off and try to give the impression that you're Siskel and Ebert if you wish but most of us can read through it; you just didn't like his politics, plain and simple.
I suppose you think John Wayne falls into the same category? And do Gibson, Hackman, and Eastwood manage to escape your ire? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: Established in 1994
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:55 am Post subject: |
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You have the attention span of a gnat. Or less.
I do not want to debate the comparative merits of a movie star and an actor on this thread. I think it is disrespectful to Mr. Heston. Had you read and remembered what I posted the first time long enough, you would know that.
Start a new thread and I will be happy to debate you.
While you consider doing that, consider looking up the words class, decorum, respect and tact. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 9:15 am Post subject: |
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| So you can spout off and try to give the impression that you're Siskel and Ebert if you wish but most of us can read through it; you just didn't like his politics, plain and simple. |
Dude, the first time I saw Ten Commandments I was about twelve years old, didn't know politics from molecular biology, and it was just as unintentionally hilarious then as it is now. Or what about The Omega Man? Now that was a great performance. How do you think Olivier would have played it?
List all the Heston encomiums you want. Who am I going to believe, you or my lying eyes? |
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Ya-ta Boy
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| SNK, I think you are playing free and loose with your memories. I know we are playing with a difference of 20-30 years of Hollywood special effects advances, but when I saw 'The Ten Commandments' when it was new I was totally bowled over by the special effects. I was semi-sure God Himself was a technical advisor who had helped split the Red Sea. How else could it have been done? When I watch that movie now, I'm a tad bit more skeptical and, dare I say, not so gullible. |
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stillnotking
Joined: 18 Dec 2007
Location: Oregon, USA
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| Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Ya-ta Boy wrote: |
| SNK, I think you are playing free and loose with your memories. I know we are playing with a difference of 20-30 years of Hollywood special effects advances, but when I saw 'The Ten Commandments' when it was new I was totally bowled over by the special effects. I was semi-sure God Himself was a technical advisor who had helped split the Red Sea. How else could it have been done? When I watch that movie now, I'm a tad bit more skeptical and, dare I say, not so gullible. |
I wasn't talking about the special effects so much as Charlton Heston and Yul Brenner (!) hamming it up. The special effects didn't even register on me; I grew up in the 1980s so it was all old hat by then.
By the way, Ten Things I Hate About Commandments is almost as funny as the real thing, only much shorter. |
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stevemcgarrett
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Anyone who begins a posting to me this way is already suspect in book, as in belonging to a generation that can't appreciate anything without loads of special effects.
Above all, Heston's finest works were cinematic narrations. I don't have the time or inclination to explain what I mean by that. Figure it out yourself and then go back to your gleeful, leftist, agnostic antics. |
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Big_Bird
Joined: 31 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:08 am Post subject: |
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Anyone who begins a posting to me this way is already suspect in book, as in belonging to a generation that can't appreciate anything without loads of special effects. |
Erm, no. That's not quite it. We can appreciate stuff without loads of special effects - I'd take a serious historical drama over a film full of explosions and stunts any day - it's simply that we can no longer tolerate badly done special effects, having been spoilt with late 20th century technology and know how.
I'm not going to get into the debate about whether Heston was a good actor - I never paid much notice or thought to analyse it (perhaps I haven't seen him in enough films since I've been an adult). I have to say though, that he had a wonderful commanding presence, and I always enjoyed watching him (even if I thought the film was utter twaddle). |
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happeningthang
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:24 am Post subject: |
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| Khenan wrote: |
| Does this mean I can finally have his guns? |
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wannago
Joined: 16 Apr 2004
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:53 am Post subject: |
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I gotta hand it to you. That video was pretty damned funny. |
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The Hammer
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:32 am Post subject: |
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| Khenan wrote: |
| Does this mean I can finally have his guns? |
No! Mama put his guns in the ground. He can't shoot them anymore. |
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Paji eh Wong
Joined: 03 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: |
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Hopefully there will be a small, tasteful, private funeral ceremony.
A public ceremony would be A MADHOUSE! A MADHOUSE! |
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greedy_bones
Joined: 01 Jul 2007
Location: not quite sure anymore
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Michael Moore never looked worse than when he "interviewed" Heston in "Bowling for Columbine". A younger, dementia-less Heston would have thrown Moore out on his arse, or worse.
"Nooooooooooooooooooo!"
RIP. |
On this point, I agree with you 100%. Bowling for comlumbine was such a piece of shit that I ended up hating Michael Moor and still do.
Generally, I'm against the NRA, and support gun control, but that movie was so sensational and so poorly made.
The second amendment is a tricky topic. I think America would be better without it, and that it doesn't really serve a purpose anymore. However, historically, it had merit and was a good decision. The main reason for it is so that if the government goes crazy, the citizens can rise up and overthrow the government. However, guns aren't going to do anything against tanks, aircraft, nukes, etc...
While I'd love to abolish the second amendment, that would leave the rest of the constitution up for grabs, and I really wouldn't like to see an end to the others.
Also, while I love Charlton Heston's acting, Planet of the Apes 4 was the best by far. |
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