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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 7:27 pm Post subject: I'm changing schools! - What would you do? - Be honest! |
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An elementary school in Bundang wants to employ me, a strong reason being I am married, they feel that shows I am a stable person.
Yesterday evening, I told my recruiter to say yes to the school. She told me this school's V.P. phoned my school (against the advice of the person who'll be my 'new' co-teacher) yesterday afternoon, but my V.P. said I planned to renew with them.
The new school offers bigger accommodation and they claim to be more flexible with vacation time. A year is a long time, so I feel good about moving.
On Thursday I'll tell my school I'm leaving.
On Thursday I am supposed to get a health check done at a local hospital. I'll need one for the new job too.
Would you think I'd be cheeky if I went to the hospital on Thursday morning, returned to school, and then tell them I'll leave at the end of this contract? I'd then have the health check done! Remember, the school has given me permission to do this health check, expecting me to use it for renewing my contract.
Or, would you go to school on Thursday morning, tell them you won't be staying with the school, and you felt it would be unfair to go ahead with the health check during school hours, when you knew at the time, you were definitely not going to renew with your school?
Thanks. |
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schwa
Joined: 18 Jan 2003 Location: Yap
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 8:22 pm Post subject: |
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| Go for it. A small price for your current school to pay & I'm sure they'll be happy to see the last of you. |
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mrsquirrel
Joined: 13 Dec 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:59 am Post subject: |
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I don't think it matters if you change schools or not. You are still going to have problems wherever you go.
Just the sort of person you are.
Enjoy the honeymoon period at your new school. |
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missionshk
Joined: 09 May 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 1:25 am Post subject: |
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| i read how this guy told his school that he was leaving and they blackballed him and sent him packing immediately |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:43 am Post subject: |
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missionshk - I don't think public schools can just get rid of you like that, hagwons, yes.
mrsquirrel - I haven't had any major problems at my school. To be quite frank, I've realized if I go somewhere different each year, it takes me a year before I get sick of of everything.
Not just that, but it takes a year for my colleagues to detest me!
I hope to enjoy the new honeymoon period, because I remember it took 7 months or so for things to turn sour where I am now.
I also remember the novelty value lasted for the first few months. It's nice when the kids genuinely feel excited about having a native teacher at their school.
I see my colleagues, they look truly miserable, and it is largely down to the Principal. Everybody at my school seems to dislike him. He's not a people person, a bit like me really.
I think it looks good on the resume to have a whole list of schools you've worked with.
I feel I have worked hard this year, and if another school will offer me more than what I'm getting now, in terms of housing and greater flexibility at work, I'm glad to be going.
I also didn't like my co-teacher shouting at me recently. The previous one never raised her voice to me, I don't like the idea of being with her for a year. |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:13 am Post subject: |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
I think it looks good on the resume to have a whole list of schools you've worked with.
I feel I have worked hard this year, and if another school will offer me more than what I'm getting now, in terms of housing and greater flexibility at work, I'm glad to be going.
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It doesn't look good on your resume to have worked at "a whole list of schools." I'm not certain if you mean several or how many but I can guarantee you if I was a Korean I wouldn't hire someone who I thought was a job hopper. |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:24 am Post subject: |
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| I mean finishing the year contract and then going elsewhere. This new school are also interested in myself because I will have a years experience. |
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xCustomx

Joined: 06 Jan 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
| I mean finishing the year contract and then going elsewhere. This new school are also interested in myself because I will have a years experience. |
I think the kids in Bundang are gonna tear you apart. I can only imagine the kinds of messages that you'll be posting in a couple of months, if not weeks, complaining about the attitudes of the students, your co-workers and principal.
By not staying with your school for more than a year, you're actually decreasing your chances of improving your work conditions. I was able to negotiate much more vacation, increases in both salary and housing allowances, and my working hours during the summer and winter camp period were changed so I don't have to sit in the office after classes have finished.
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missionshk - I don't think public schools can just get rid of you like that, hagwons, yes.
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GEPIK schools can terminate your contract in as little as 15 days according to the 2008-2009 version. |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:28 am Post subject: |
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I don't mean to be repetitive, but I can't be bothered to paste all of the false statements people have made about me on this forum, as regards my ability to succeed at my job.
I'm glad you got what you wanted from your school, but if you look at all of my posts, you'll understand my Principal is the main obstacle to anything positive at my school, that applies to all of my colleagues.
The previous native teacher was a kiss a:@ kinda girl, and she got no concessions or improvements at all, zilch!
Therefore, it is wise to move.
I don't think they would fire me when I have no blemish on my record at this school. |
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Sody
Joined: 14 May 2006
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:48 am Post subject: |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
| I mean finishing the year contract and then going elsewhere. This new school are also interested in myself because I will have a years experience. |
Well it's hard to discern what you mean by "a whole list of schools," but if you are completing your contract then that is good and a completely different matter.
Don't let anyone tell you that staying for more than 1 year is better most of the time. That is usually a false assumption based upon slight improvements that usually come with hidden surprises. For instance, I knew a guy who renewed with GEPIK and he got his round trip ticket and two weeks vacation to go back to Canada. When he got back to Korea to start his new term he had added responsibilities and also more stress because they expected him to do even more than what he was contracted to do. It's almost as if staying for more than a year makes Korean employers feel they own you.
GEPIK contracts that allow them to terminate your employment within 15 days? Isn't that against the law? I don't know anyone who would sign such a thing. That is CRAZY. That has to be illegal! If it isn't then it is a MAJOR problem that needs to be addressed immediately. I can't imagine how that might affect someone who flies over to Korea only to be dismissed within a period of six months with no chance of flight reimbursement. |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you Sody. You've summed up how I feel. On another thread I've explained that my co-teacher said the Principal may make amendments to my next contract, she didn't say anything about me knowing what they may be.
Making allowances for any shortcomings in her English, it gave me the impression they want to give me extra work in the next contract.
Anyway, my criminal check with apostille should be here next week, I'm doing the health check today, and I am also going to tell my school I'm leaving.
I'll act as sad as I can.
But, you're right. They are idiots to think they own us. I am glad there are so many jobs here, it makes me less anxious about going elsewhere.
If the new school is flexible as they claim, I am better off with them. Even if they are not flexible, at least I will have the standard contract with no dodgy amendments made to it. |
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Toju

Joined: 06 Mar 2008
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:32 pm Post subject: |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
missionshk - I don't think public schools can just get rid of you like that, hagwons, yes.
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Any school can get rid of you as soon as they want - it isn't restricted to just academies. However, the public and private schools seem to hold a bit more regard for their foreign teachers, or they have in my experience anyways, and therefore don't just fire people for no good reason. Also, it is not actually their money they are spending when they pay you, so therefore aren't as likely to screw you on pay either. |
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ceesgetdegrees
Joined: 12 Jul 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:40 pm Post subject: Re: I'm changing schools! - What would you do? - Be honest! |
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| fromtheuk wrote: |
| An elementary school in Bundang wants to employ me, a strong reason being I am married, they feel that shows I am a stable person.. |
LOL...sorry man but you know you had that coming! |
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fromtheuk
Joined: 31 Mar 2007
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Hey, I am stable! (I still can't find the axe I use to chop down trees though) |
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Scouse Mouse
Joined: 07 Jan 2007 Location: Cloud #9
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Sody wrote: |
| Don't let anyone tell you that staying for more than 1 year is better most of the time. That is usually a false assumption based upon slight improvements that usually come with hidden surprises. For instance, I knew a guy who renewed with GEPIK and he got his round trip ticket and two weeks vacation to go back to Canada. When he got back to Korea to start his new term he had added responsibilities and also more stress because they expected him to do even more than what he was contracted to do. It's almost as if staying for more than a year makes Korean employers feel they own you. |
I have had a similar experience this year. My first year at my school was as close to perfect as could be expected in Korea. I had a few things to iron out in my first few months, but had a nice year where I worked hard (always 22 hours a week) but had no complaints.
Since I got back from my UK visit 6 weeks ago I have had nothing but headaches. I am not talking about misunderstandings here - I am talking about a ton of extra work that was to be unpaid (including extra classes). I raised a stink and let them know that I would not do it, so they have since asked me for a ton of paperwork to be filed weekly. I guess the contract is vague enough for them to request this and so I smiled and said OK.
Since all this has kicked off I have been paid late on my housing, and had to fight them for my airfare refund.
Once my F-2 is sorted (I just need to visit immi) I can start looking for a better place and give this place the finger. It is a shame though. The kids have managed to benefit from having me around, and my school will find it hard to replace me. I have just signed up a 2 year lease on my appartment and so they could have had me here for much longer had they not started acting up. I just hope that they learn from this when the next foreigner comes along. |
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