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Adventurer



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:22 am    Post subject: Why Italy's women are out of work Reply with quote

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Why Italy's women are out of work

By Emma Wallis
BBC News, Rome



Female employment is 12% lower in Italy than the EU average
The economy is one of the big issues in the forthcoming general election in Italy.

Some are questioning why in particular the country has one of the lowest rates of women's employment in the European Union.

Why is there so much female unemployment in one of Europe's most developed countries?

Italy has almost the lowest rate of female employment in the European Union - just 46% of Italian women have jobs, and the figure is even lower in the south of the country.

Italy's Minister for European Affairs Emma Bonino believes that getting women into work would help revive the country's economy.

"We have six million women, more or less, who do not have access to a job or are not looking for one anymore," she told BBC World Service's Analysis programme.

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Julius



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another macho-dominated society...
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stillnotking



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm confused by the article, because "unemployment" is defined as the proportion of people who are looking for a job but can't find one. Housewives and seven-year-olds are not "unemployed".

Is Italy concerned about high female unemployment, or a high number of women who aren't looking for jobs? Those are two separate and unrelated things.
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Leslie Cheswyck



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The article doesn't explain why.
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Justin Hale



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Italy has a fertility rate of 1.29 babies per woman, which is 61% of replacement level.

Unemployed or otherwise, substantially more Italian women need to be away from call centers, away from offices, and back into kitchens and bedrooms where they belong....cooking, cleaning, breeding and breastfeeding. I advocate the use of state power and incentives for women who agree to be professional moms.

Too many people, men and women alike, on the unemployable scrapheap with useless degrees.
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stillnotking



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 2:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Hale wrote:
Unemployed or otherwise, substantially more Italian women need to be away from call centers, away from offices, and back into kitchens and bedrooms where they belong....cooking, cleaning, breeding and breastfeeding. I advocate the use of state power and incentives for women who agree to be professional moms.


State power, eh? Reeducation camps for women who happen not to want those things?
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Justin Hale



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's not dwell on the uncomfortable term state power. The sole purpose of state power in any case is to protect our individual rights and heighten our freedom and opportunities. There aren't enough Italian babies being born and everybody knows why, so let's have the state get involved.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Hale wrote:
Let's not dwell on the uncomfortable term state power. The sole purpose of state power in any case is to protect our individual rights and heighten our freedom and opportunities. There aren't enough Italian babies being born and everybody knows why, so let's have the state get involved.


There seems to be a high correlation between the level of machoism in a (developed) society and low fertility rates. In countries like Japan and Italy where the men expect women to do absolutely everything for them, the women are reluctant to breed, which is no bloody surprise.

Basically the Italian men (and what a bunch of lazy f**kers they are) need herding into re-education camps where they should be forced to take classes in domestic science, learning how to cook and clean for themselves, so they can be of more use to themselves and less of a burden on their wives, who may then be more willing then to take on the added burden of offspring.

I was suprised to hear that so many Italian women were out of work, as I have long since been well aware of the low breeding rate among the Italians. So what are these women doing then? Spending their days waiting hand and foot on their lazy b******d menfolk, no doubt.
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Pluto



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
Justin Hale wrote:
Let's not dwell on the uncomfortable term state power. The sole purpose of state power in any case is to protect our individual rights and heighten our freedom and opportunities. There aren't enough Italian babies being born and everybody knows why, so let's have the state get involved.


There seems to be a high correlation between the level of machoism in a (developed) society and low fertility rates. In countries like Japan and Italy where the men expect women to do absolutely everything for them, the women are reluctant to breed, which is no bloody surprise.


And let's not forget about Korea, too. Korean men are extremely macho also, and the ROK has one of the lowest birth rates too. That is an interesting bit of insight that seems to follow, intuitively at least. Have you seen any studies on this particular subject?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pluto wrote:
Big_Bird wrote:
Justin Hale wrote:
Let's not dwell on the uncomfortable term state power. The sole purpose of state power in any case is to protect our individual rights and heighten our freedom and opportunities. There aren't enough Italian babies being born and everybody knows why, so let's have the state get involved.


There seems to be a high correlation between the level of machoism in a (developed) society and low fertility rates. In countries like Japan and Italy where the men expect women to do absolutely everything for them, the women are reluctant to breed, which is no bloody surprise.


And let's not forget about Korea, too. Korean men are extremely macho also, and the ROK has one of the lowest birth rates too. That is an interesting bit of insight that seems to follow, intuitively at least. Have you seen any studies on this particular subject?


No, but I'd be very interested to see them. I have, however, come across articles from time to time, that point out that connection.
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Kuros



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
Justin Hale wrote:
Let's not dwell on the uncomfortable term state power. The sole purpose of state power in any case is to protect our individual rights and heighten our freedom and opportunities. There aren't enough Italian babies being born and everybody knows why, so let's have the state get involved.


There seems to be a high correlation between the level of machoism in a (developed) society and low fertility rates. In countries like Japan and Italy where the men expect women to do absolutely everything for them, the women are reluctant to breed, which is no bloody surprise.


Hrmmm. No doubt that the high machoism comes into play at the very least as a correlative factor, but these same areas have high literacy rates for women. The places with high machoism but abysmal women's literacy rates, like Sub-Saharan and Ivory Coast countries, tend to have obscenely high birth rates.

Nevertheless, I think you are on to something. The societies in the Western world that have women who are well-educated and quite dominant, like France and the US, have near replacement birth rates.
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nicholas_chiasson



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

High standard of living costs more per child. When all you have is another mouth to feed, that is only a couple dollars more a day. When you have cars, ponies, and university to pay for, you're not having kids, and certainly not many of them.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big_Bird wrote:
Justin Hale wrote:
Let's not dwell on the uncomfortable term state power. The sole purpose of state power in any case is to protect our individual rights and heighten our freedom and opportunities. There aren't enough Italian babies being born and everybody knows why, so let's have the state get involved.


There seems to be a high correlation between the level of machoism in a (developed) society and low fertility rates. In countries like Japan and Italy where the men expect women to do absolutely everything for them, the women are reluctant to breed, which is no bloody surprise.

Basically the Italian men (and what a bunch of lazy f**kers they are) need herding into re-education camps where they should be forced to take classes in domestic science, learning how to cook and clean for themselves, so they can be of more use to themselves and less of a burden on their wives, who may then be more willing then to take on the added burden of offspring.

I was suprised to hear that so many Italian women were out of work, as I have long since been well aware of the low breeding rate among the Italians. So what are these women doing then? Spending their days waiting hand and foot on their lazy b******d menfolk, no doubt.



I am not so sure I agree with that. Sweden is very progressive, but they don't have many children in Sweden. The level of children and not working don't seem to go together. Perhaps, Italian women feel too discriminated against when looking for jobs. Or, perhaps more Italian women want to get married and not work. I am not sure what's happening.
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Toon Army



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 2:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Hale wrote:
Italy has a fertility rate of 1.29 babies per woman, which is 61% of replacement level.

Unemployed or otherwise, substantially more Italian women need to be away from call centers, away from offices, and back into kitchens and bedrooms where they belong....cooking, cleaning, breeding and breastfeeding. .


don`t know about the cooking. I have friends in Italy and they say the women there can`t cook (at least these days). It`s the guys that do alot of the cooking as the women are so terrible at it. Probably why all the top chefs are men eh
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 7:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Justin Hale wrote:
Let's not dwell on the uncomfortable term state power. The sole purpose of state power in any case is to protect our individual rights and heighten our freedom and opportunities. There aren't enough Italian babies being born and everybody knows why, so let's have the state get involved.


Oh, let's dwell on it. I'd like to know exactly what you have in mind.
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